re: John Fogerty Acquires Rights to Creedence Clearwater Revival Songs

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never recovered

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Yes, he has.

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the way he treated those that were around him

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Seems like he's been with the same band for decades now.

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His own brother quit the band and stop talking to him.

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Same thing happened to Mark Knopfler.
Somebody has to be the taskmaster.
Did anybody in CCR, besides John Fogerty, ever write any of their songs?

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Did anybody in CCR, besides John Fogerty, ever write any of their songs?

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Yes, on their last album, Fogerty either forced the other guys (or they begged him to let them, depending on who you talk to) write some songs of their own.

The songs sucked and the album was the worst of their career.

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Yes, on their last album, Fogerty either forced the other guys (or they begged him to let them, depending on who you talk to) write some songs of their own.

The songs sucked and the album was the worst of their career.

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He also made the stipulation that he wouldn't sing or play lead guitar on any songs they wrote, just rhythm guitar and backing vocals.

"Dude. You're the fricking singer. You're the fricking lead guitar player. Of THIS band."

Anyway. I know I got lots of downvotes on my earlier post, but I can agree that Fogerty was almost 100% in the right in the dispute with the record company. However, as the giant star, he bears a lot of blame for the acrimony among the original bandmates (his brother included) and, yes, that's despite the fact they sort of turned against him in the dispute. I certainly would have been petty about it at first, myself, but not to those lengths.

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Do you doubt the fact that he was responsible for less than 90% of their success?

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No. Or maybe yes because of the way you wrote the question? John was the creator of successful CCR music, not doubting that.

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get that it's difficult to be in Tom's position of just not having the same brilliant talent as your brother, and thus causing your vision to be clouded on many matters.

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He stepped aside for his brother because he saw how talented he was. CCR wouldn’t have been a thing if Tom wasn’t a good big brother (my source is being an older and younger brother and parents to boys).

But that wasn’t the issue. As I have said, John made very poor business deals. As the most talented, he leveraged to become the band manager. He objectively did a poor job as the band manager, nobody in the band is happy about how the band was managed including John. Like I said, it is clear what happened

John was a “my way or the Highway” type of guy. He was clearly right that he would lead CCR to the promised land musically but his approach sucked and played his cards poorly, foolishly even. The proof is he lost his band, the hottest band in America with nothing to show for it financially. He went on to have like 2-3 hits ever again as a solo act. Part of that was that he was a bad business man that not only put CCR in a bind, but himself personally by signing an independent publishing record with some nobody label that he was the golden goose of. He got bent over, it’s why this thread exists. All the members acknowledge this.

After he got out of that situation he was too bitter to return to his level of productivity of CCR and he maybe just got a little bit of synergy from his bandmates in all of the success they had.

It’s no coincidence (or perhaps just that ironic) that he chose to perform with Robbie Robertson for CCR’s hall of fame induction while the other surfing members sat in the audience (and walked out during the performance).

He is a great musician, I wish he had more to show for it. But blaming it on his bandmates is just not seeing the situation for what it is.

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What are you saying he is blaming on his band mates?

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Nothing. I inferred you were blaming the preponderance of the acrimony that followed their breakup on his bandmates, if not blaming it on him.

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He has over $100M, he's OK.

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Ok so why exactly are we feeling bad for him, or happy for him for that matter? I’m confused what your point is.

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I'm not arguing he was a good band manager, but this statement is kind of silly. Times had changed and that era was over. He couldn't just "do more CCR".

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You don’t seem to be even trying to understand my point. If I concede that “times changed” strictly to make it more clear: the times changed on him based on his own poor decision making. He quit CCR (ultimately because he could not renegotiate their record contract) and had signed an individual publishing contract with the same label that hamstrung CCR. By the time he got to make a record with another label, he included two tracks explicitly attacking a fantasy records exec. RCA (I think) asked him to remove them, he declined, they allowed them only if he indemnified them against defamation which he did, and he was subsequently sued for >$100M and settled.

All of this happened BECAUSE he was the man in CCR and was flexing on that. Him being a bad manager led to all of this bullshite that apparently just ended 50 years later.

So again, all of this is on him.

And what you should know about me personally, you trying to use some sort of “he’s rich and successful so he doesn’t care what you think” or “you can’t be right because he is successful” approach has zero affect on my position. I’ll spare you the sappiness but John Fogerty is a huge influence on me musically, he is the first guitar player I tried to emulate - he has had a positive material influence on my life. I want the dude to be successful and wish he would have recorded hundreds more songs. Because of his influence, I’ve looked pretty hard at what he has done right and wrong - his mismanagement from the business side is a case study in how not to do it.

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TDcline

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