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Jake Holmes - 1967 "Dazed and Confused" before Jimmy Page stole it for Led Zeppelin
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:51 pm
You have to hear this song. It's raw, but he was very talented. Page was such a ripoff artist.
The Above Ground Sound of Jakes Holmes, "Dazed and Confused"
*fixed the link. Actual song now not whole album
The Above Ground Sound of Jakes Holmes, "Dazed and Confused"
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The album is best known for the song "Dazed and Confused" because Led Zeppelin released their interpretation of the song on their 1969 debut album Led Zeppelin. Jimmy Page was familiar with Holmes' song because his previous band, The Yardbirds, had covered the song. The Led Zeppelin song was not credited to Jake Holmes but to Jimmy Page.
While Holmes took no action at the time, he did later contact Jimmy Page in regards to the matter but received no reply (coward) In June 2010, Holmes filed a lawsuit against the guitarist for copyright infringement in a United States District Court, claiming Page knowingly copied his work. The lawsuit was settled out of court, with future Led Zeppelin releases now crediting "Dazed and Confused" to "By Page – Inspired by Jake Holmes.", and the case was permanently closed.
*fixed the link. Actual song now not whole album
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 9/11/21 at 11:14 am to HubbaBubba
They definitely stole a ton of that, but Zep did it waaaaaaaaaaaay better.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 12:22 pm to HubbaBubba
I'm always amused by the notion that anything in a quasi-blues format is "stolen". Did anybody look into whether Mr. Holmes was "inspired" by anybody to do his own version of this? Or if the artist who inspired him was inspired by somebody else? Or if any of these people gave credit where due to the sharecropper who originally made it up while working in the fields?
Posted on 9/11/21 at 2:12 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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Did anybody look into whether Mr. Holmes was "inspired" by anybody to do his own version of this?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that since this song was the subject of litigation, AND LZ has quite a bit of money to buy legal help, that the song was likely heavily researched by musicologists who specialize in the Blues before LZ decided to settle the suit. Why settle if your high priced attorneys can find other works that would allow Page to claim influence from some other source, especially if that source is PD?
In addition, the bottom line is Holmes had a copyright on the song dating from 1967, well before LZ1. Unless someone else can show that Holmes copyrighted something he didn't have rights to, he owns it. There is no question to the musical and lyrical similarities and it's lineage from Holmes, to the Yardbirds (with Page) to LZ is well documented.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:41 pm to HubbaBubba
The problem is that Page in later years denied ever even hearing Holmes version which is ridiculous because Holmes once opened for the Yardbirds while Page was in the band and he played his own version of Dazed and Confused that night. Pages own band mates in the Yardbirds said he liked Holmes version so much that night he went out and bought Holmes album which contained DAC the very next day!
Posted on 9/11/21 at 4:36 pm to HubbaBubba
in addition to being a pedophile jimmy page was an unrepentant thief of songwriting credits. All they had to do was credit this song (and dozens of others) as “original songwriter/page”
doesn’t diminish in any way Led Zeppelin’s instrumental prowess or stage presence. They were a force of nature. But they were the most derivative mainstream classic rock band of all time. The only artist that stole more then they did was Eric Clapton
doesn’t diminish in any way Led Zeppelin’s instrumental prowess or stage presence. They were a force of nature. But they were the most derivative mainstream classic rock band of all time. The only artist that stole more then they did was Eric Clapton
Posted on 9/11/21 at 6:47 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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RockAndRollDetective
Maybe you should do detective work. Like the other poster said, bottom line, dude had a copyright and Page chose to use it not once, but twice. He even performed it live on TV with the Yardbirds lol. That’s pretty tough to come back from
Yardbirds- Dazed and Confused
Posted on 9/12/21 at 11:42 am to HubbaBubba
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Page was such a ripoff artist.
Every song is influenced by another. I never understood the angst over "stolen" material" from a fan perspective.
Page was a POS, probably still is. But I enjoy the music he helped produce.
Posted on 9/12/21 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Every song is influenced by another. I never understood the angst over "stolen" material" from a fan perspective
Nothing wrong with being musically influenced by another artist, and making it clear that you borrowed from their style, but when you copy their song idea, and even use the same title, that's pretty crappy. In the long run, Page probably did Holmes a favor, because he has probably caused more people to listen to Holmes' music, than would have happened otherwise, thanx to the internet. Still though, if I had been Holmes, back in the day, I would have been very pissed and raising hell.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 6:30 am to HubbaBubba
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Page was such a ripoff artist.
Another band claimed they stole Stairway.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:18 am to Wtodd
This is one of the worst kept secrets in rock n roll. It was pretty common knowledge Page stole the song, but that he also improved upon it immensely. It's barely the same song, and Page admittedly took it to another level.
It's nowhere near as egregious as the way they stole from blues artists. Whole Lotta Love is a blatant rip of You Need Love, and without the massive upgrade in the song. The Lemon Song is a pastiche of several Howlin' Wolf songs, most notably Killing Floor. And basically the entire first record is cover songs, which weren't properly credited for years. Willie Dixon suing Led Zeppelin is practically a cottage industry, and how he spent the better part of his last decade on earth.
It's nowhere near as egregious as the way they stole from blues artists. Whole Lotta Love is a blatant rip of You Need Love, and without the massive upgrade in the song. The Lemon Song is a pastiche of several Howlin' Wolf songs, most notably Killing Floor. And basically the entire first record is cover songs, which weren't properly credited for years. Willie Dixon suing Led Zeppelin is practically a cottage industry, and how he spent the better part of his last decade on earth.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:46 am to Baloo
Spirit's Taurus is vaguely similar in a few measures but Page did enough changes to the song to make it his own.
Plant deserves some of the blame as well. On a few of the blues rock riffs that Page wrote, had Plant come up with his own lyrics, I'm not sure those artists would have had a case.
Plant deserves some of the blame as well. On a few of the blues rock riffs that Page wrote, had Plant come up with his own lyrics, I'm not sure those artists would have had a case.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Every song is influenced by another. I never understood the angst over "stolen" material" from a fan perspective.
page literally said they would "lift" songs from other lesser known bands and do the songs better. they did do the songs better. still doesn't change the fact that LZ stole others songs and didn't give them songwriter credits. it's been a running joke in the music industry for decades.
GREAT band, lot of "lifted" songs
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:02 am to monsterballads
It's also a huge difference between them and the Stones. The Stones almost almost always gave credit and Mick Jagger bought Chess Records when it went under to preserve it as a historical landmark. There was an ethical way to be a blues-rock band, and Zeppelin simply ignored the model.
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