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re: I heard that Lars was the Lou Pearlman of Metallica.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:31 pm to Sayre
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:31 pm to Sayre
Exactly Sayre,
In the 80’s Lars was very well respected as a drummer. Go back & watch the Seattle 89 live show. That might be the tightest band ever.
Lars started getting hate when the internet came about coinciding with the Load albums & then the Napster backlash. Is Lars one of the greatest drummers out there? Probably not but you cannot deny what he & the band accomplished with their 80’s output.
In the 80’s Lars was very well respected as a drummer. Go back & watch the Seattle 89 live show. That might be the tightest band ever.
Lars started getting hate when the internet came about coinciding with the Load albums & then the Napster backlash. Is Lars one of the greatest drummers out there? Probably not but you cannot deny what he & the band accomplished with their 80’s output.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:59 pm to Hetfield
For sure. Anybody that discounts Lars after listening to Puppets and Justice, or the live shows from that era doesn't know what the frick they're talking about. And it's crazy there's so many on here that have no idea how much he contributes to the writing process.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:15 pm to SEClint
I wonder if that is still Lars’ phone number? Somebody text it.
Edit: In case someone is actually going to text, think really hard about it first.
Edit: In case someone is actually going to text, think really hard about it first.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 12/31/21 at 6:20 pm to auwaterfowler
I guess I’m just a old Metallica fan but there is no better metal to me… the reason I learned to play guitar is “to live is to die” they way they blended acoustic with distortion, so I guess I just don’t care about all the rest.
Oh and finally seeing them live when I was like 17 on Jan 1 2001 in Cleveland they started with blackened and man you could feel the bass in your chest, so hard!
Edit for: man I think it’s time to restring the old acoustic
Oh and finally seeing them live when I was like 17 on Jan 1 2001 in Cleveland they started with blackened and man you could feel the bass in your chest, so hard!
Edit for: man I think it’s time to restring the old acoustic
This post was edited on 12/31/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 12/31/21 at 11:28 pm to Sayre
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This is complete bullshite. His peers and other musicians disagree wholeheartedly. This is just what has become to cool thing to say since the Lars hate started at the same time as that Napster bs.
fricking amateurs thinking they're edgy when they really look dumb as hell.
I have been a professional musician for 25+ years. And I agreed with Lars on the Napster thing, so I have no personal axe to grind.
Just listening to several tracks from live shows through the years. He was better 35 years ago and he seems to do better with the straight ahead fast stuff. But when things slow down and especially if feel and groove are needed, things often fall apart.
Here's a live clip from 2019. He speeds up and slows down at bizarre and random times. Just listen for about 30 seconds and hear 2 or 3 instances where he's rushing or dragging.
Enter Sandman 2019
Listen right after "Now I lay me down to sleep..." (3:15ish) and hear him slow down dramatically. My guess is because he has some sort of cue going on in his in-ears for the kid's voice and he realized he was waaaaay ahead. And after the kid's voice is done, he starts speeding up again, then slows down right before re-entering the chorus. And he often screws up the anticipation beat just before bar four of the chorus. And under "Grain of sand" at 3:51, that's just a mess.
Ive noticed his issues with time for a while now. Perhaps it's an age thing, but its definitely there. In this clip he starts well. Straight ahead and the time, while not metronomic, is fine. When it slows down in the middle section, things get way too loose and around the 7 minute mark it starts to sound like he is struggling with time a bit.
Master of Puppets 2019
Posted on 1/2/22 at 1:48 pm to James11111
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a damn fine drummer
:ishethough?:
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:11 pm to Hetfield
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Is Lars one of the greatest drummers out there? Probably not but you cannot deny what he & the band accomplished with their 80’s output.
The level of music produced by a band is often much higher than the skill level of the individual members.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 5:11 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Yes, of course. I'm not commenting on if there are recent issues with live performances and his age. But based purely on his body of work, how can anyone come to any different conclusion - particularly Justice. Just because he didn't insist on proving to you how pyrotechnic he could be on every single song (like some other showboats people here seem to idolize), doesn't mean he couldn't bring the goods.
:ishethough?:
He also said something in an interview years ago that really took me a long time to understand: "My goal is to 'sit behind the beat'". I remember thinking: WTF? How can the actual timekeeper be behind the beat. I thought he was crazy. But listen to a song like Ronnie - I think he is perceptibly a fraction of a beat behind the rest of the band...and it gives the effect he was after: just an absolutely killer groove. (I think I noticed this also recently on Right Now by Van Halen).
Re the songwriting: I though it was common knowledge his primary function was arranging - a very relevant function.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 3:59 pm to James11111
There’s no denying that Lars is the business man of the group and that he plays an integral part in the writing process - specifically arranging and editing riffs with James. But from a strictly technical perspective, his drumming is pretty awful. Sure he was better 30 years ago but even then he had tempo issues and his fill transitions were meh. If I recall correctly Metallica even considered giving him the boot in the mid 80s. I mean he’s got the snare crash thing… so there’s that.
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