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How important is a guitar setup?

Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:44 am
Posted by _Hurricane_
Somewhere
Member since Feb 2016
4456 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:44 am
So I got a Yamaha 012 Pacifica electric starter set. Apparently it’s a decent guitar, high-end starter. Needless to say I’m excited and want to play it right away, but I know a setup is usually required to get it sounding right down the neck. Can I screw around on it for a few weeks and then get it “set-up” or should I do it right away?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67116 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:49 am to
Extremely important. A bad setup can make a great guitar sound and play terribly, and a great setup can massively improve a shitty guitar. Get it set up immediately.

A badly set up guitar will:
A. Be impossible to keep in tune
B. Will often not stay consistently in tune down across the fretboard
C. May have frets that buzz or kill sustain
D. Have high action which makes fretting difficult or painful
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 10:52 am
Posted by RockAndRollDetective
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
4506 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:52 am to
The timeline doesn't matter but yeah, a guitar will always play and sound a little to a shitload better after a good setup.
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20871 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:11 pm to
What are typical things for a setup for acoustic?

1. Get action lowered if necessary.
2. Quality strings

What else?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67116 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:18 pm to
Frets may need work to prevent buzzing or allow for lower action, same with nut.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1240 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:30 pm to
Playing a guitar without a good set-up is akin to driving a car without a proper wheel alignment. You can drive the car with whacky wheels but you are losing a lot of performance and comfort, and you ultimately experience more of the pain, the fight, versus any satisfaction or thrill.

Here's a few tests as to if you need a set-up. ALL of these tests are done with the guitar laying flat on its back on a level bench or table.

** fret the low E string at the first fret and the 15th fret with your index fingers. Look at the string at the 7th fret. If there is no gap between the string and F7 (fret 7), or if the gap is larger than a business card's thickness, you may need a neck/truss rod adjustment

** fret each string, one at a time, at the fourth fret with your right index finger. Look at the fretted string in relation to F1. If there is no gap, the string's nut slot is too deep. If the gap between the string and F1 is greater than a business card's thickness, the nut slot is too shallow. Open strings buzz when their slots are too deep, slots that are too shallow make fretted chords more difficult to play and throw them out of intonation.
On this test, I want to barely see a gap at F1, and I want to hear a gentle "ping" off the string when I tap the string on the first fret while I'm fretting F4.

** Get a ruler that measures to 32ths of an inch and measure the gap at F12 between the bottom of each string and the peak of F12. Average action for both acoustic and electric guitars is about 2/32" on the high E string, tapering up slightly through strings B,G,D,A, with 3/32" on the low E string. Notice I said "average action." Heavy hitters will want slightly higher action. Finesse players usually have slightly lower action.

** Fret string(s) at the 12th fret and compare the note to the natural 12th fret harmonic note. If the fretted note(s) are audibly sharp or flat in comparison to the harmonic, intonation is off and needs to be set or adjusted.

There are other tests, those are the most obvious, the easiest to perform, and the only ones I give away for free. :)

Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 4:53 pm to
Almost as important as the player

Eta

Its cool to see people taking up with interest in instruments again recently
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 4:56 pm
Posted by _Hurricane_
Somewhere
Member since Feb 2016
4456 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 3:05 am to
Thanks everyone. I’ll play it for a couple days just because I’m too excited. I’m bringing it to a locally owned shop in Tuscaloosa for a set up soon.

ETA: I’m a college student and this past summer was boring as hell. Add a breakup to the mix and I finally felt the need to pick up the acoustic. Have had great results but now I want to shred Music isn’t dead yet for the young people.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 3:08 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27007 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:49 am to
quote:

I’ll play it for a couple days just because I’m too excited. I’m bringing it to a locally owned shop in Tuscaloosa for a set up soon.



absolutely. It is a new toy. Play it!!!

Get your moneys worth. Wait until those first strings need changing (month or two). Then take it in. Fresh strings and a setup should be a big difference.

Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25329 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 8:52 am to
quote:

TheFretShack
Would you recommend I invest $200-250 for a upgrade of the pickups/setup (needs new 5-way switch) in a Mexican made Squire Strat (I paid $125 for it) to keep me from spending bigger money on a real strat? I say this because while the electronics need improving the feel of the neck to me is great.

Yellow strat below:
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 9:02 am
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20871 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 9:06 am to
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TheFretShack


Thank you for all of that info! I'm glad to learn about all this...I'm not a beginner but I'm not much better. I kind of taught myself and I've been playing for 20 years off and on and didn't even know what a "setup" was.

If I lived in your area, I'd be giving you all my guitar related business.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 9:07 am
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1240 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 9:49 am to
A neck fit in one's hand can be an elusive search, doesn't matter if you're looking at $200 or $2,000 or $20K guitars. Be glad you found "that's it!" without spending a fortune!

If you love the neck contour, absolutely invest two or three hundred bucks to make the guitar a better fit for the ears too. You may find you have created a "game over" axe and no subsequent need to get a USA made one. And remember strat pickups are interchangeable, meaning if you spend big bux on nice pickups you can always move them into a more expensive strat should you get one.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25329 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 9:55 am to
Thanks. I think I will do just that upgrade old faithful since I need to have a new switch put in anyway. Off to see Buddy at Guitar hospital in Lafayette!!
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10947 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 6:51 am to
quote:

. Can I screw around on it for a few weeks and then get it “set-up” or should I do it right away?
New, I'd say yes.**

However no mater all how long you wait, your going to end up wishing it had been done earlier. But this way at least you'll appreciate the difference.


*eta (you can wait)
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 6:57 am
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