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Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by SalE
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:45 pm to
Buddy Holly and Hendrix...
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:17 pm to
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What musicians “benefited” (strictly in terms of their long term legacy, of course) from an early death
Instead of the usual names of people who ODed at 23 I'll throw a curve w/somebody I feel "died at the right time" (in the context of this thread):

Jerry Garcia

If he had ODed in 1970, he would have been lost among bigger drug casualties. If he had died this year, he would have been just another 80 year old rock star.

But Garcia died in the mid '90s, at a time when the media wanted to talk about the 1960s. Garcia became the symbol/starting place for this discussion, whether he deserved it or not.

Something similar happened w/Steve Jobs. When he died the media wanted to talk about computers and the cyber revolution, and Jobs became the symbol for every tech advance since 1985.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:57 pm to
It made Selena the Tejano Elvis.
Posted by tigerterrace
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:36 pm to
Truth----I didn't even know that Grohl was the drummer for Nirvana when the Foo Fighters came out. I also never really cared for Nirvana.

I like Pearl Jam, RHCP, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins and such. Liked early Green Day.

To me Grohl is a genius and did all the music for the first album and then hired a band.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 9:13 pm to
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-I didn't even know that Grohl was the drummer for Nirvana when the Foo Fighters came ou
everyone else did
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:57 am to
What musicians do you guys feel had a lot of upside left in their career when they died?
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:46 am to
Chester Bennington. He had just released an album with Linkin Park to great critical reviews and looked primed for STP to make a BIG comeback after stepping up as the new front man on “Out of Time”.

He died right at the moment his career appeared to be on the rebound in a big way after a few years of stagnation. “Out of Time” is STP’s best song, and I will take that hot take to my grave. I think an STP permanently fronted by Chester could have become even bigger than they were in the 90’s.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:47 am to
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To me Grohl is a genius and did all the music for the first album and then hired a band.


Foo Fighters is the Boston of grunge.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:43 am to
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that's a good tune man.

It is, but not what I expected with the name KingBob.

I was thinking old country as a shortening of "Bob Wills Is Still The King".
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:54 am to
I have a blues rock/southern rock band as well, but I don’t have the right voice for country.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 4:19 pm to
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Some say he would have steered the band from it's more commercial sound in the 90s, while others argue that Burton would've welcomed the change. We'll never know.



I absolutely think he would have welcomed the change. Cliff was already experimenting with with different styles and was the one who brought more harmonies and melody to Metallica and Hetfield. He was also big into southern rock and that had an influence on James' writing during the 90s. A lot of people think Cliff would have kept them in thrash forever but he was much too diverse to be content with just writing Master of Puppets over and over for 40 years
Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:49 pm to
I like to think they'd have eventually kicked Lars out had Cliff lived.

I think he encouraged the Jason bullying to take heat off himself. Or cliff may have quit before the 2000s. Joins Megadeth or some shite.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 10:13 pm
Posted by G Love
Denver, CO.
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:08 am to
Ian Curtis of Joy Division. We are still hearing the effects of his suicide. Created the modern music era. Post punk, dance music, goth, industrial, new wave, no wave, new romantics.....U2 and on. And all of their spinoffs and influences.
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:21 am to
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Elvis


Elvis was the King before he died. That's why his death was such a big deal.

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John Lennon


Was on the path to irrelevance till Mark David Chapman found him.

I think Morrison for sure would have faded out. Psychedlic was kind of a niche genre that was going to fade out pretty quick, but a generational talent like Hendrix was always going to have a following.

Nobody would know who Amy Winehouse was today if she had lived.

To this day I don't understand why Janis Joplin is revered.
Posted by Rhio
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 5:07 pm to
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John Lennon


Yeah, he had been out of the music business for 5 years and Double Fantasy was getting very mixed, even negative reviews for being dull; the kind of music he accused McCartney of making.

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To this day I don't understand why Janis Joplin is revered.


She was a true original and her peformance at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 is legendary. Ball & Chain
Posted by tiger81
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 9:31 pm to
Double Fantasy is a great album, some of Lennon's best solo work.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:56 am to
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What musicians do you guys feel had a lot of upside left in their career when they died?


Jan Berry. Technically died in that car crash

ETA: Pete Hamm. Died at 27. Badfinger could have been huge.
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 8:11 am
Posted by DaleGribble
Bend, OR
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:16 am to
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Was on the path to irrelevance till Mark David Chapman found him.


This is just a flat-out lie. Double Fantasy had just came out the month that he was murdered and it was a very popular album, even before the murder.

Even fricking Ringo could never be on a "path to irrelevance". What a ridiculous statement.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:36 pm to
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Dying young can be a good career move, but only for your estate.



Reminds me of the SNL skit from the 90's when the guy singing "Chopping Broccoli"s manager was trying to get him to kill himself so his career would take off.
Posted by monsterballads
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:48 pm to
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They sounded like every other band.


mid 90's foo fighters did not sound like "every other band" the self titled record and the colour and the shape record were both very different from what was going on post nirvana.
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