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Guitar nerd question.

Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:10 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27403 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:10 am
Trying to learn something and a simple change in finger placement is driving me crazy.

Toughest piece of music or riff that you ever tried to learn? And how long did it take you.

My example is “I Could Have Lied” by RHCP. The first few intro notes. The first 4 notes for me are like rubbing my belly and patting my head. It opens with a hammer on and two open notes. The hammer on has to come off but not be a pull off.

Thought it would be a discussion. Even a brag thread. If your “challenge” is another persons impossible song. Or if it is one you remember having issues with.

Side Note I went to Fuller Guitars in Houston. Held and strummed a Santa Cruz OM. The light neck is much heavier than the body leaving a weird balance. The volume that OM/000 body projects is ridiculous. Only $8.5k. Lol
Posted by 053wab
Charlotte NC
Member since May 2023
269 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:02 am to
I just learned Doc Watson's Deep River Blues. Took me 3 months to get the picking down.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92520 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:20 am to
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Toughest piece of music or riff that you ever tried to learn?


Hell, I still have trouble with barre chords.

*Ace looks up tab sees B or F chord *

"Nah. frick that."
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
29632 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:55 am to
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*Ace looks up tab sees B or F chord *

"Nah. frick that."

Just transpose it man. If you're trying to avoid the F major, go 1 step higher. Go 1 step lower to avoid the B major.
Also, sometimes you can get away with replacing an F major with an A minor, or a B major with an E minor.
Learning to use your thumb over the top doesn't hurt either.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:02 am
Posted by metallica81788
NO
Member since Sep 2008
9640 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:31 am to
After 20 years of playing tons of things are still difficult to master. With age I've become more patient at slowing the hard things down to get right then speed up later. Teenage me was not doing that.

I've been trying to learn the main riff to Intervals "Lock and Key" for almost 3 years now

Had to completely change the way I held the pick for over 15 years in order to learn how to do hybrid picking
Still can't get the riff as clean as I want it
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
465 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:31 am to
quote:

I just learned Doc Watson's Deep River Blues. Took me 3 months to get the picking down.


That was a tough one for me as well. Didn't help that every transcription I pulled up was a bit different, and he seemed to play it a little differently on every version I listened to. Then again, i don't have the best ears when it comes to that kind of stuff.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22841 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:51 am to
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Toughest piece of music or riff that you ever tried to learn? And how long did it take you.


There's a few that I have literally been working on for over 20 years. The final bars from the No More Tears solo and the pentatonic run after the opening arpeggios of the Mr. Tinkertrain solo for example. I can almost get them to sound right, but I just don't have Zakk Wylde's freakish speed to get it quite there.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41302 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:32 am to
That's where I am, Ace. frick that F chord
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
68409 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:38 am to
The ending of “Cult of Personality” by In Living Color

Snippets of solos in “Jessica” by the Allman Brothers

This weird amalgamated rhythm/lead that I tried to fuse together to play “Ghost of You” by My Chemical Romance with just one guitar.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2788 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:04 am to
#41 by DMB is the toughest finger stretch for me…

Never Going Back Again by Fleetwood Mac is just impossible
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 11:05 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27403 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Ace looks up tab sees B or F chord * "Nah. frick that."


I guess some Yacht Rock is out then.

Christopher Cross “Ride Like the Wind”. Has so many damned barre chords that a regular open chord throws you off.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
14340 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:51 pm to
Spent a whole summer learning Circumstances by Rush front to back.
That song is a bitch.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92520 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Never Going Back Again by Fleetwood Mac is just impossible


Like some of the other self-taught guys (e.g. Knopfler who also uses that claw style), I think you have to learn to do it "their" (mimic) way, cobble together some sort of workaround with traditional fingerstyle and, perhaps some transposition/key change or forget it altogether.

Buckingham's stuff sounds simultaneously interesting and accessible. Then you dig into it and find out it is bespoke, unique to him and figure out why he got paid the big bucks.
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
465 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:19 pm to
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Never Going Back Again by Fleetwood Mac is just impossible


There are 2 ways to play this. You can either play it in drop D with a capo at the 4th fret, or you can play it in open C tuning with capo at the 6th. The latter is much easier because you're not barring the 2nd fret, and most of it is just open chord shapes (except the higher part up the neck, no getting around that). Fennah Rob has a YouTube video on this (you can also get sheet music from songsterr.com).
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 6:21 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27403 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:30 pm to
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Fennah Rob


Who’s this?

I need a new YouTube channel. Like guitars. Can’t have too many good ones.
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
465 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:48 pm to
I stumbled on Fennah Rob when I was looking for how to play Never Going Back Again. He's really good explaining fingerpicking and Travis picking, so if you're looking at fingerstyle stuff particularly as a beginner to intermediate, it's a pretty good channel.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9001 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:03 am to
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Hell, I still have trouble with barre chords.

*Ace looks up tab sees B or F chord *

"Nah. frick that."



For F major I always hated the bar version, make a C/G (C chord with your ring on low E and pinky on the A string 3rd fret and drop those down a fret each and wrap your thumb over the first fret on the low E and bend your wrist enough forward that your pointer finger bars the B and high E. Takes some time but much easier imo especially on acoustics. This opened a new world for me, especially because you can move up to a C, C/G, Am, G, etc. quickly this way. All just personal preference but wish I had known from the get go. You can end up playing almost any bar chord like that and even wrap your thumb down over the low E and A for A string rooted bar chords. (but this def takes some practice and depending on the guitar itself some I cant get my thumb far enough for)

B chords you can just make an A chord with your pointer finger and slightly rub the low E to mute it and roll the tip and a little bit of the middle of your ring finger into a an A shape on the 4th fret, eventually you'll get it without muting the high E and honestly you can get away with that until you get it down pat anyway.

B minor chords give me fits in bar shapes but you can get away with just making a C like shape without the skipped string and moving it down to the 2 on high E, 3 on B and 4 on G string and just play those strings (or even throw your thumb over the E and A to bar it or just mute them), or bar the G,B,E on the 7th fret and throw your ring or pinky finger on the 9th fret on the D string. Might be off on that, Id have to have a guitar in my hand but you can get away with playing chords all up and down the board in weird shapes. If something is giving you trouble dont get discouraged just google a different shape up the neck.

Sorry to go off topic just some info I wish id been told years back

As for OP, the Only Daddy That'll Walk the Line solo with the chicken picking and pick mutes took me forever, then I forgot it and now I need to relearn the last few parts I have forgotten. But that is a good way to learn those techniques if interested.

I got way into trying to mimic Waylon's playing but idk if it was his bass experience but his little speedfreak hybrid popping melodies he'd play between songs live and just in general I cannot figure out. Might be the banjo tuner and drop D but just can't get it, but he was one of those that never played anything the same way twice live.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 5:18 am
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