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Grateful Dead's massive "Wall of Sound" Did anyone here ever hear this at a early concert?

Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:23 pm
I only recently stated getting really getting onto the Grateful Dead and I am now fascinated by there style & sound. Note that I spent my wild and crazy 70's teen years on more traditional/popular Rock n Roll bands like Led Zepplin, The Who, Rolling Stones etc.. However, I was wondering if any body ever hear this set up live?




Posted by Telecaster
Memphis
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:48 pm to
Never heard the wall, woulda been cool.

McIntosh amplifiers supplied the power.
Posted by Crow Pie
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

Never heard the wall, woulda been cool.

McIntosh amplifiers supplied the power.
and that's a whole lot of speakers to power!!
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:24 pm to
Would have given anything to be there for a head full of sid and 4 hour GD concert
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:16 pm to
second pic is my laptop's background
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:30 pm to
I know the background of it but wasn’t it completely illogical from a touring standpoint? I always forget why they stopped doing it. Regardless, I appreciate the effort that tDead put into creating a great live show based on the music production.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:37 pm to
Over JBL 600 speakers powered by 50 McIntosh 2300 amps (each weighed over 130 lbs). Something like this but on steroids
Posted by rutiger
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

I know the background of it but wasn’t it completely illogical from a touring standpoint? I always forget why they stopped doing it. Regardless, I appreciate the effort that tDead put into creating a great live show based on the music production.



It cost too much to operate. They had multiple scaffolding and would set up one set at the next show.
Posted by Telecaster
Memphis
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:45 pm to
28,000 watts. PA and monitors simultaneously.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
10076 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:09 pm to
Big Steve Parish commented how it was truly a miracle no one was killed by a falling speaker during the setup and take down. Long hours traveling on the road, late nights taking everything down, compounded with lots of LSD. Kudos to Owsley who was a very intelligent dude on so many levels
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:55 am to
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28,000 watts. PA and monitors simultaneously.


There were no separate “monitors”, each band member had their own individual sound system, and there was no mixing board, each band member controled their own sound level. It was a fundamental goal in the design that the band heard the same sound as the audience. One major problem created by this was the requirement to have the wall of speakers behind the band which placed it behind the vocal microphones creating a huge feedback problem. To attempt to eliminate the feedback each vocalist had two microphones mounted about 6 inches apart, and wired 180 degrees out of phase. The theory being that they would sing into only one of the mics, any sound that was picked up by both mics would be canceled out. It sort of worked, but severely degraded the sound quality of the vocals, and was a key reason for the demise of the wall concept.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:26 am to
They played in front of the full wall 37 times from March to October 1974 then shut it down due to expense and exhaustion.

those ones really did go to 11

from the audio record you have the following officially released time machines to choose from

LINK

or the archive

the comment about vocals above is valid. In person it was surely incredible but I think 73 is the better recorded listen


Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:07 am to
also if you want a visual, watch the “Grateful Dead Movie” filmed at the last shows of 1974. It’s on amazon prime if you have it
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27776 posts
Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

also if you want a visual, watch the “Grateful Dead Movie” filmed at the last shows of 1974. It’s on amazon prime if you have it
Great series, in fact this new musical journey into them started by watching Long Strange Trip on Prime
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:12 pm to
welcome
there is room on the bus for all
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27776 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:53 pm to
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there is room on the bus for all
Ony wish I had a blot or two left to get the full immersive experience!!

This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 7:45 am
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