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FretShack signal!!!! Question for Fret and any others on here who aren't as good.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:31 am
Basically from the Pro (Fret) to the novices like me and all varying degrees in between. 2 years or more ago I posted about building my own acoustic. She is here and ready for final touches.
My question is if any of you go places besides LMI or StewMac for items.
Items in question are....
Fret inlays. Dot inlays.
Side fret position markers.
Just other luthier supply.Nothing against LMI or Stew just other options?
Final is advice on headstock emblem. I have a plan but need advice on execution. I have an old decal that I want to buy then affix to the headstock and cover where it cant be removed. The headstock is complete other than decal.
My question is if any of you go places besides LMI or StewMac for items.
Items in question are....
Fret inlays. Dot inlays.
Side fret position markers.
Just other luthier supply.Nothing against LMI or Stew just other options?
Final is advice on headstock emblem. I have a plan but need advice on execution. I have an old decal that I want to buy then affix to the headstock and cover where it cant be removed. The headstock is complete other than decal.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:09 am to LSU alum wannabe
Have you played the guitar yet? How does it sound and play?
Personally, I don't really care for fretboard inlay anymore, I just like the side dots. You can do those with a small drill and hot glue gun or something.
As far as your headstock decal goes, if it is the kind that is printed on clear plastic with a paper backing, you probably want to use a few drops of warm soapy water on the headstock to make it easy to move the decal around on the headstock and get the perfect position, then roll the water and air bubbles from under the sticker and dry the moisture as quick as possible, let it dry well and apply some clear over it.
Personally, I don't really care for fretboard inlay anymore, I just like the side dots. You can do those with a small drill and hot glue gun or something.
As far as your headstock decal goes, if it is the kind that is printed on clear plastic with a paper backing, you probably want to use a few drops of warm soapy water on the headstock to make it easy to move the decal around on the headstock and get the perfect position, then roll the water and air bubbles from under the sticker and dry the moisture as quick as possible, let it dry well and apply some clear over it.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:44 am to auggie
I copied a Martin 000-28 and got a taylor. Bright with new strings and jangly. With fret buzz. Needs leveling. And need to work on lower fret “fall away”.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:10 am to LSU alum wannabe
Add Philadelphia Luthier Supply to your source list. I get my side dots from SM.
Have four decals handy so you have a backup, a backup for it and a backup for it. If you only have one decal, it will tear, crinkle and/or bubble, that's how the world works.
My favorite sources for custom decals are Rothko and Frost in the UK and Uncle Nerky in Canada.
Hit me up if you need fret leveling or a supply list to prep for a DIY. In the case of the latter, a DIY'er should plan to spend $2K in tooling for pro results.
Have four decals handy so you have a backup, a backup for it and a backup for it. If you only have one decal, it will tear, crinkle and/or bubble, that's how the world works.
My favorite sources for custom decals are Rothko and Frost in the UK and Uncle Nerky in Canada.
Hit me up if you need fret leveling or a supply list to prep for a DIY. In the case of the latter, a DIY'er should plan to spend $2K in tooling for pro results.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:49 am to TheFretShack
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Hit me up if you need fret leveling or a supply list to prep for a DIY. In the case of the latter, a DIY'er should plan to spend $2K in tooling for pro results.
If you were closer it would already be on the way to you. Gonna DIY this fret level. Did a prelim pre string level with a sanding bar and fret rocker. Now with strings I still have some high spots. I have marked in sharpie.
Have these items.
A. Flat sanding bar.
B. Fret file.
C. Metal guards for the board.
D. Mini files (kobalt set of 5).
E. Little sanding blocks. (Maybe useless).
F. Micro mesh.
Wish me luck “coach”. Lol
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:58 am to LSU alum wannabe
Here's your "also get if you don't already have" list, with the items placed in order of use:
Notched straight edge: The MVP of ALL my guitar tools. You need the neck DEAD STRAIGHT, ABSOLUTELY FLAT AND THE GUITAR STABILIZED BEFORE YOU LEVEL FRETS and you cannot do it without a notched straight edge. PERIOD.
Masking tape to mask fingerboard, Sharpie to ink fret tops.
A. Flat sanding bar.
B. Fret file. I use a diamond offset to recrown. Be sure to re-ink fret tops before you recrown
C. Metal guards for the board. You can have mine if you want them, I never use them for anything. If you tape the board and you still need guards, you need better files AND better techniques LOL
D. Mini files (kobalt set of 5). What are these for?
E. Little sanding blocks. (Maybe useless). I use 400, 600, 800 and 1000 Norton Black Ice wet/dry automotive grade sandpaper before I polish out. I use it dry.
F. Micro mesh.
Wish me luck “coach”. Lol
GOOD LUCK!
Notched straight edge: The MVP of ALL my guitar tools. You need the neck DEAD STRAIGHT, ABSOLUTELY FLAT AND THE GUITAR STABILIZED BEFORE YOU LEVEL FRETS and you cannot do it without a notched straight edge. PERIOD.
Masking tape to mask fingerboard, Sharpie to ink fret tops.
A. Flat sanding bar.
B. Fret file. I use a diamond offset to recrown. Be sure to re-ink fret tops before you recrown
C. Metal guards for the board. You can have mine if you want them, I never use them for anything. If you tape the board and you still need guards, you need better files AND better techniques LOL
D. Mini files (kobalt set of 5). What are these for?
E. Little sanding blocks. (Maybe useless). I use 400, 600, 800 and 1000 Norton Black Ice wet/dry automotive grade sandpaper before I polish out. I use it dry.
F. Micro mesh.
Wish me luck “coach”. Lol
GOOD LUCK!
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:31 am to TheFretShack
quote:
Notched straight edge: The MVP of ALL my guitar tools. You need the neck DEAD STRAIGHT, ABSOLUTELY FLAT AND THE GUITAR STABILIZED BEFORE YOU LEVEL FRETS and you cannot do it without a notched straight edge. PERIOD.
Thanks for the advice. Been looking to get one. Just keep putting it off. Off to Amazon I go. Need one though. Straight edges are something I horde. Estate sales. Find a cool old one and buy it. Lol. Just no notched edge yet.
Masking tape is no issue. Hell I’ll use both to say I did. Another thing I have plenty of. My final pieces of dot inlay arrive today. So I will just drop those in and wait for my straight edge.
Kobalt files are just my answer to mini files. A couple are useless but two are tiny triangle files that do a nice job in my novice hands.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:45 pm to LSU alum wannabe
I just put a fresh set of strings on my Taylor acoustic and noticed a very small groove on many of the B string frets? Is this some to be concerned about?
Also and how hard and/or how much does it cost to re-fret a guitar?
Does it reduce the value of a guitar to not have original frets?
Also and how hard and/or how much does it cost to re-fret a guitar?
Does it reduce the value of a guitar to not have original frets?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:39 am to TheFretShack
quote:
My favorite sources for custom decals are Rothko and Frost in the UK
I’ll second this. They are very good.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:03 pm to wareaglepete
I just put a fresh set of strings on my Taylor acoustic and noticed a very small groove on many of the B string frets? Is this some to be concerned about?
Shallow dimples in frets aren't a problem until you hear their effect on the fretted notes. Remedies range from fret leveling and recrown to a partial refret. I've only once done a full refret on an acoustic, a partial refret is typically plenty sufficient.
Also and how hard and/or how much does it cost to re-fret a guitar?
I was trained specifically for frets at one of America's top luthiery schools. You won't get a refret in my shop for under $350. You can find cheaper elsewhere. You can always find cheaper. You can also get exactly what you pay for.
Does it reduce the value of a guitar to not have original frets?
Yes, if it's a collector grade guitar. Most guitars are not collector or investment grade, however, no matter how much one wants to believe their high-dollar "limited edition" guitar is collectable.
In the case of player grade guitars, if the guitar is unplayable because the fret bed is too worn, that reduces the value too. So it's a case by case basis.
Shameless self-promotion moment ... here's a recent refret on a 1974 Telecaster in which I was able to slightly increase the size of the original frets to modern tastes, yet preserve the original clearcoat as part of the refret. This guitar sold a few days ago on eBay (owner bought it a month ago at the Dallas vintage show to fix it up and turn it). It sold at current vintage market prices, i.e., my refret didn't diminish value.
Shallow dimples in frets aren't a problem until you hear their effect on the fretted notes. Remedies range from fret leveling and recrown to a partial refret. I've only once done a full refret on an acoustic, a partial refret is typically plenty sufficient.
Also and how hard and/or how much does it cost to re-fret a guitar?
I was trained specifically for frets at one of America's top luthiery schools. You won't get a refret in my shop for under $350. You can find cheaper elsewhere. You can always find cheaper. You can also get exactly what you pay for.
Does it reduce the value of a guitar to not have original frets?
Yes, if it's a collector grade guitar. Most guitars are not collector or investment grade, however, no matter how much one wants to believe their high-dollar "limited edition" guitar is collectable.
In the case of player grade guitars, if the guitar is unplayable because the fret bed is too worn, that reduces the value too. So it's a case by case basis.
Shameless self-promotion moment ... here's a recent refret on a 1974 Telecaster in which I was able to slightly increase the size of the original frets to modern tastes, yet preserve the original clearcoat as part of the refret. This guitar sold a few days ago on eBay (owner bought it a month ago at the Dallas vintage show to fix it up and turn it). It sold at current vintage market prices, i.e., my refret didn't diminish value.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:29 pm to TheFretShack
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Dallas vintage show
Damn it when is Houston getting a guitar show?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:31 pm to LSU alum wannabe
They had one back in the 1990s, I went to it several consecutive years. It wasn't as big as Dallas (spring) or Arlington (fall) but it was big enough to justify me driving a few hours one way to get there.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:37 pm to TheFretShack
You’d think a city that has a gun show near every third month could get a guitar show.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 7:00 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Well Fret, I don’t know if I am any good at it but I enjoy fretwork.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:48 am to LSU alum wannabe
You'll be pleased to know no two jobs are the same. Each presents its own challenge. You have more fun for which to look forward. Awesome, huh?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:49 am to LSU alum wannabe
You'll be pleased to know no two jobs are the same. Each presents its own challenge. You have more fun for which to look forward. Awesome, huh?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:00 am to TheFretShack
Well. Still buzzing. But much better.
Gonna have to spot level.
I am really to the feast or famine stage now. One day I feel like I’m ready to set up a shop in my garage. Lol
Next day I’m ready to smash it to pieces. Or at least burn it and grill a burger over it.
Gonna have to spot level.
I am really to the feast or famine stage now. One day I feel like I’m ready to set up a shop in my garage. Lol
Next day I’m ready to smash it to pieces. Or at least burn it and grill a burger over it.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:24 pm to TheFretShack
Thx
quote:How about one of the first (if not the first) sinker redwood (with ebony, rosewood, mahogany) Taylor Custom GS. Its model #20080903101.The first custom GS made on 09/03/2008. I cannot find any info on when they first started making these...
Yes, if it's a collector grade guitar. Most guitars are not collector or investment grade, however, no matter how much one wants to believe their high-dollar "limited edition" guitar is collectable
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 6:32 am
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:35 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Bump....
Woohoo.
She's not as pretty asa Martin 000-28EC that I was copying, but shes done and holds tune. Did not implode but I am still too scared to go to full pitch (standard tuning) still in Double Drop D.
I'll post pics when I get back to my device with imgur.
There are plenty of errors to scoff at and plenty of "fixes" I made that I will show for Frets amusement.
Woohoo.
She's not as pretty asa Martin 000-28EC that I was copying, but shes done and holds tune. Did not implode but I am still too scared to go to full pitch (standard tuning) still in Double Drop D.
I'll post pics when I get back to my device with imgur.
There are plenty of errors to scoff at and plenty of "fixes" I made that I will show for Frets amusement.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:56 am to LSU alum wannabe
How about one of the first (if not the first) sinker redwood (with ebony, rosewood, mahogany) Taylor Custom GS. Its model #20080903101.The first custom GS made on 09/03/2008. I cannot find any info on when they first started making these...
Taylor produce 700 guitars a day and 130,000 guitars annually between their two factories, according to recent news accounts I found on Google. And that's just the typical recent year ... Bob Taylor has been selling guitars since the early to mid 1970s. THOSE are the early guitars that will potentially fetch investment-grade money down the road.
I personally wouldn't buy ANYTHING Taylor has made in the last 30 years as an investment, no matter how collectable, limited, collector-grade Taylor's sales and marketing division or (insert retailer here) promises it will one day be.
My opinion? You have a great guitar that will produce absolutely marginal gains at best if treated like a line item in a financial portfolio. Enjoying it daily is a guaranteed daily ROI. Play the hell out of it, take care of its upkeep and fix it when it needs fixing.
Taylor produce 700 guitars a day and 130,000 guitars annually between their two factories, according to recent news accounts I found on Google. And that's just the typical recent year ... Bob Taylor has been selling guitars since the early to mid 1970s. THOSE are the early guitars that will potentially fetch investment-grade money down the road.
I personally wouldn't buy ANYTHING Taylor has made in the last 30 years as an investment, no matter how collectable, limited, collector-grade Taylor's sales and marketing division or (insert retailer here) promises it will one day be.
My opinion? You have a great guitar that will produce absolutely marginal gains at best if treated like a line item in a financial portfolio. Enjoying it daily is a guaranteed daily ROI. Play the hell out of it, take care of its upkeep and fix it when it needs fixing.
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