re: Does The Average Person Have Poor Music Taste?

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Yes, but those opinions are subjective.

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To a point, but when someone says Miley Cyrus is more important than Sonic Youth, that's objectively false.

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I mean, how can you really judge how good an education is?

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I'll talk to them for a little while, then I'll let you know if they have a legitimate opinion or not.

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It has nothing to do with popularity. Jessica Alba is beautiful.

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It has everything to do with popularity, which is just an aggregate of people's tastes.

Make a thread on the 100 Most Beautiful Women and see how much disagreement you get. After that, make a thread on what music people should be listening to, since you think you know what good music is with objective certainty.

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And yes, you can say Jimi Hendrix music is better that Beyonces, because it is a fact.

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No. This is your opinion. BigOrangeBri's opinion =/= fact.

If you did a survey of the human population of Earth on whose music is better, you'll likely find Billions of people who say that Beyonce's music is better. It might even be a majority.

Different people have different tastes because we all perceive reality differently to a degree, based on individualized neurological reality tunnels. Human beings don't perceive full reality. We perceive a little range that our reality tunnels tune into, and for objective purposes, we call that Consensus reality. Within that framework, there is objectivity and subjectivity. Taste in music is mostly subjective, although, there are objective things that can be discussed, such as popularity -- List of best-selling music artists -- however, OP has tried to undercut this objective basis:

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Does The Average Person Have Poor Music Taste?

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Think about different cultures all over the world and the wide range of different types of music that people like. Different reality tunnels, different preferences.

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they just don't have great taste for music.

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They have a taste for music they enjoy.

What do you think your basis is for making this statement? (I know it's a somewhat common thing to say, but really, it's just a vague, messy group of words that attempts to make your opinion the standard from which to judge music objectively.)

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I agree. It's all subjective. Nothing in this world is good or bad. It's just all what each persons opinion is.

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Please, let's not go to the extreme version of the either-or fallacy.

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I presented my lack of musical skill hoping that you all would believe my vocal talents are amazingly substandard and that most people in the public could agree with that.

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Do you see how this is flying in face of the main point in the OP? If you don't, read the thread title again, then read the part of your quote in bold again.

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who decided that I was awesome and loved my music to the exclusion of almost all else; then they would have bad taste due to some combination of my lack of quality, talent, effort and general.

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Please drop this fantasy. It has no relevance to the point of the thread. Quality, within the context of this thread, is not some quantifiable comparison with an absolute basis from which to judge objectively (unless we're talking about popularity). We're talking about what people like. We're talking about music that spans different genres, different styles, different instruments, various kinds of vocal abilities, dancing ability, the various visual aspects of videos and performances, artist persona, on and on and on. Different things appeal to different people. Individual preference.

The OP is saying that the music that most people think is good, is actually not good. You're appealing to popular opinion in your fantasy. CocoLoco's main point is rejecting the appeal to popular opinion to talk about what good music is.

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Now this extreme example was simply presented so that we could acknowledge that it is possible for a person to have bad taste in music as many seem to be if the opinion that bad taste is an absolute impossibility.

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Break down the semantics of this. What is taste? It is individual preference. While "bad taste" is a somewhat common term, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, "You have bad individual preference."

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Final example for me and why I believe I is possible to have bad taste.

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It's not really an issue of possibility. It's an issue of semantics.

If you're using "bad taste" to mean - music that is generally agreed to be bad by most people, that's just a statement of popular opinion, or consensus, and AGAIN, that goes AGAINST the point that OP is trying to make.

"Bad taste" is just a vague, imprecise thing to say that generally conflates one's opinion with fact.

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What makes a movie bad?

Poor writing, direction, and performance.
Same with music.

Exactly. So if a person consistently likes music with these qualities then they have bad taste in music.
I don't know why people find this so hard. Hell, I like some bad music. Nothing wrong with that. But, if most everything you like is bad, then you have poor tastes.

There is good and bad in all genres. Good and bad in mainstream and unknown music.

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Just wanted to repost this. It sums it up

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So, your argument is that nothing in the world is good or bad.

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NO!! Why would you take my comments about individual preference in music and extrapolate them out to apply to everything in the world? Do you know what the frick context is??

I asked you to please not go off into these BULLSHITE either-or extremes.

For you to take what I've said in the thread, and then dumb it down into one all-encompassing misrepresentation about everything in the world is so fricking ridiculous.

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It's all art and totally subjective.

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Did I say that art is "totally subjective"? No, I did not say that. So, why in the frick would you make such a stupid sarcastic comment?

Some aspects of art are objective. Some aspects are subjective. It depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about individual preference, you're talking about a subjective aspect.

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Oh you mad.

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No. I tried to adjust my writing style in an effort to get you to understand what I was talking about. No such luck.

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Yes, and some peoples individual preferences are in poor taste.

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What do you think taste means? Unpack it in detail. Forget the other things that have been discussed for now, and just focus on that word -- what do you think that word means?

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What do you think taste means? Unpack it in detail.

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I can only really think of it as simply as this. It is a person's ability to discern. I think that I would compare it to a chef's palate as when it comes to people tasting food.