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re: Does The Average Person Have Poor Music Taste?
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:04 am to HandGrenade
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:04 am to HandGrenade
quote:Unless you are someone who thinks image is part of the music.
So if artists start boosting their image to make more money, the music suffers.
I don't agree with it, but there is a great many people who think it is. . .who am I to say they are wrong, or that my opinion is more valid than theirs?
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:16 am
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Incorrect.
To a point, but when someone says Miley Cyrus is more important than Sonic Youth, that's objectively false.
I would say that Miley Cyrus has had a a bigger impact than SY to many people.
To them, it is not objective, therefore it can't be objective. It is subjective.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:15 am to BigOrangeBri
quote:But who is determining these things?quote:
Poor writing, direction, and performance. Same with music.
Exactly. So if a person consistently likes music with these qualities then they have bad taste in music.
Movies are also subjective. Just ask people on this board's opinion on any movie. . .
Tastes are, by definition, subjective. Calling someone's appreciation of an artform or artist poor, declares that there is a clear baseline for what separates good from poor.
Where is this baseline? Who is in charge of compiling and/updating it? We need this information so that we can then determine who has poor taste, good taste, or average taste.
All kidding aside, the concept of calling one's musical taste poor/good are centered on elitism.
I have always said that if music is original, and contributes to the genre. . .that's good music. Even if I don't like it.
quote:Who makes the call?
There is good and bad in all genres.
I can't believe there are people seriously arguing AGAINST art appreciation being a subjective experience. It's amusing in it's sheer absurdity.
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:18 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:25 am to Roaad
quote:
Movies are also subjective. Just ask people on this board's opinion on any movie. . .
So under your thinking there are no bad movies..............gotcha.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:26 am to BigOrangeBri
quote:There are movies that I think are bad. . .yes.
So under your thinking there are no bad movies..............gotcha.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:27 am to Roaad
quote:
Poor writing, direction, and performance. Same with music. Exactly. So if a person consistently likes music with these qualities then they have bad taste in music.
But who is determining these things?
The people capable of determining when music doesn't have any of those things listed. You know, the people with good taste.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:29 am to BigOrangeBri
quote:But who is that?
The people capable of determining when music doesn't have any of those things listed. You know, the people with good taste.
What is the specific criteria that gave them the authority?
At what point did you decide to start listening to them, over your own ears?
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:30 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:31 am to Roaad
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There are movies that I think are bad. . .yes.
Yes, and there are also movies that are just bad. There are numerous factors that can make a movie objectively bad.......same with music. Just like there is bad food, shitty cars, poorly made clothes, and shitty music.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:36 am to BigOrangeBri
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bad food, shitty cars, poorly made clothes, and shitty music.
So shitty music would be poorly performed.
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:37 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:37 am to BigOrangeBri
quote:So you are saying that art appreciation is not subjective?
Yes, and there are also movies that are just bad.
quote:Unless those factors are weighted differently to different people.
There are numerous factors that can make a movie objectively bad.
Or unless not all people have the same criteria. Have you never watched art films? Criteria can be damn fluid, brother.
Movies are never objectively bad, they are subjectively bad.
quote:Are we talking about physical goods versus art?
Just like there is bad food, shitty cars, poorly made clothes, and shitty music.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If you do a terrible job at shitty music, does it become good?
So shitty music would be poorly performed.
This cat doesn't realize he is arguing that art appreciation is objective.
Hell, if art appr COULD be an objective experience, it would cease being art. It would be science.
He needs to think shite is objective. . .that way he can justify elitism. One day he will realize that someone can value Justin Timberlake AS MUCH as someone can value Suicidal Tendencies.
Art is just crazy that way.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:45 am to Roaad
This is like a creationism vs evolution thread.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:47 am to heatom2
quote:That is science versus faith.
This is like a creationism vs evolution thread.
This is one group arguing that music is art, while the other is arguing that it is an objective science.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:50 am to Roaad
quote:
So you are saying that art appreciation is not subjective?
The appreciation is subjective. People can appreciate something that is objectively bad and that's fine.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:51 am to BigOrangeBri
quote:
The appreciation is subjective. People can appreciate something that is objectively bad and that's fine.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:53 am to Roaad
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That is science versus faith.
This is one group arguing that music is art, while the other is arguing that it is an objective science.
Yes I get the distinction. I meant more that you'll never convince them that taste in music is completely subjective.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:53 am to Roaad
quote:
quote: Just like there is bad food, shitty cars, poorly made clothes, and shitty music. Are we talking about physical goods versus art?
There are many that consider cooking, car making and fashion, art. I guess it's just subjective.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:55 am to heatom2
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Yes I get the distinction. I meant more that you'll never convince them that taste in music is completely subjective.
Yes, people like what they like and that's a good thing. But when someone consistently likes bad things then they have poor taste.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:56 am to heatom2
quote:
Yes I get the distinction. I meant more that you'll never convince them that taste in music is completely subjective.
Yeah, it's a waste of time.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 1:03 am to BigOrangeBri
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But when someone consistently likes bad things then they have poor taste.
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