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Can somebody explain barre chords to me?

Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:44 am
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:44 am
Not quite sure how to ask this but

Let's say we have an open string A chord and you barre it and slide it up the neck what does it become and why? And in this case would it still be an A at 7th and 12th?

TIA
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 10:46 am
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:03 am to
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barre

wut?
Posted by uglycasanova7
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:12 am to
This is an Amaj:


It's got an open A, E, A, C#, E.

This is an Amaj bar chord:


It's got a A, E, A, C#, E, A

It's the same chord, just with a fuller sound because of the extra A note.

If you slide that bar chord to the seventh fret, it would be a Bmaj (up 2 steps). At the twelth fret it would be an Emaj (up 5 more steps).
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:23 am to
quote:

wut?



That is how you spell it...


Barre chord


However to answer your question el gaucho an A shaped barre chord moved down to the 7 fret would be an E chord and woulde look like 79997x moved to the 12th it would become an A once again.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 11:27 am
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 12:02 pm to
Some good answers up in hurrr

What's the science behind building chords? Why do the notes get put together the way they do?

And why do they get the names they do, major, minor, sharps etc?
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 12:04 pm
Posted by aaronb023
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 12:15 pm to
doesnt it just go up half a step with each fret?
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 12:24 pm to
since when? I haven't lived in the US for well over two decades. when I was a little nipper and studying music, it was BAR.

did this come in with the pussyfication of 'Merrka?
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

since when?



No idea but I don't think either one of the spellings is incorrect. It is used both ways
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 12:31 pm to
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It is used both ways

yeah, I saw that googling now.

weird.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 3:27 pm to
Prepare to have your mind blown:

The nut serves as your finger (the barre) for the open chords.

All the notes in a major chord are the root, 3rd, and 5th of the major scale. Obviously, some get duplicated in different octaves on a 6 string guitar.

Triads and their inversions.

CAGED.

quote:

Let's say we have an open string A chord and you barre it and slide it up the neck what does it become and why? And in this case would it still be an A at 7th and 12th?


At the 7th fret, it would be E maj using the A shape. It would be an A chord at the 12th fret.

12 semitones (half steps, and on the guitar, frets) in an octave.

This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 3:39 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 3:56 pm to
for every fret up the fretboard, you go up one halfstep
Posted by StarSaint
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

Some good answers up in hurrr What's the science behind building chords?


Chords are built from the notes of the major scale. Typically, a chord is formed from the 1st, 3rd and 5th note of the major scale which is called a triad. Think of it as your foundation chord in which other notes can be added/taken out to create different varations.

quote:

Why do the notes get put together the way they do?


Because our ears are tuned to the major/minor scales system of harmony. Some eastern types of music use different intervals in the scales, thus creating more of an 'exotic' sound.

quote:

And why do they get the names they do, major, minor, sharps etc?


Major/minor is something completely different from sharp/flats.

1) Major/minor comes from the triad I mentioned above. When you have the 1st, 3rd, 5th notes of the major scale, that creates a major triad/chord (happy sounding chord).

When the 3rd is brought down back one fret (flatted 3rd), it creates a minor triad/chord (sad sounding chord).

2)Sharps and flats are just the notes "between" our letter notes. For examples, in music there are 7 letters, ABCDEFG. However, between most of theses notes are sharps/flats.

A - A#/Bb - B - C - C#/Db - D - D#/Eb - E - F - F#/Gb - G - G#/Ab - A and so on. no notes between B and C, E and F.

You can have a C# Minor chord, for example. Don't confuse sharp/flat with major/minor. Two different things.

Hope this helps.


Posted by Haplochrom
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

Because our ears are tuned to the major/minor scales system of harmony. Some eastern types of music use different intervals in the scales, thus creating more of an 'exotic' sound.


not really. major and minor, are just two modes of a 7 mode system: ionian and dorian. we call them major and minor because it simplifies the system. in actuality you have heard the other scales and know them well. when you hear jeff beck or eric johnson, they usually play in dorian, or a pentatonic transition from dorian to minor, or dorian to major. al dimeola and john mclaughlin use mixolydian a good bit, and yngwie and blackmoore use phrygian almost exclusively (especially as phrygian dominant of harmonic minor).

the chords are the representation of a sound you want to convey. you could have as many notes in a chord as you can clearly produce, but in the end, all you are trying to do is represent a sound. you can accurately play a major chord with 3 notes. some chords require more than that because too many similar notes would not let it be accurately represented. in essence you are trying to play the notes that would not let you confuse it for another chord. conversely, sometimes it is good to play as minimal of a chord as you can as it allows you to move around easier, which is why the pentatonic is so widely used as well.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

not really. major and minor, are just two modes of a 7 mode system: ionian and dorian. we call them major and minor because it simplifies the system. in actuality you have heard the other scales and know them well. when you hear jeff beck or eric johnson, they usually play in dorian, or a pentatonic transition from dorian to minor, or dorian to major. al dimeola and john mclaughlin use mixolydian a good bit, and yngwie and blackmoore use phrygian almost exclusively (especially as phrygian dominant of harmonic minor).





Smoke on the Water??

How do you play it?

I am lost. Should have bought my guitar when I picked up golf.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:11 pm to
Basically what

quote:

Haplochrom


said, except here's the way less confusing version...

Every chord is based on a scale, also called a mode. It is a combination of a root note (the note the chord is named after) and at least two more notes from the scale, usually the third and fifth.

So in an "A Major chord," the A is the root note, and the major scale is used to determine the others. The other notes are E and C sharp, since they are the major fifth and major third. If the chord were an "A minor," the minor scale would determine the other two notes, and they would be E and C, the minor fifth and minor third. Adding another note to the chord from the scale changes the sound a little, and this is what leads to things like 7th chords (adding the seventh note).

Scale degree; 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
A Major; A B C# D E F# G#
A minor; A B C D E F G
linkage

ETA; Moving a Barre chord just shifts the whole chord to a new root note, and it's corresponding scale notes. An open A changes to a D at the 5th fret, E at the 7th fret, back to A at the 12th.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 8:23 pm
Posted by Haplochrom
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

The other notes are E and C sharp, since they are the major fifth and major third. If the chord were an "A minor," the minor scale would determine the other two notes, and they would be E and C, the minor fifth and minor third.


actually... both of those 5ths would be perfect 5ths. you can have M3 and m3, but 5ths are perfect or diminished.

sorry, not trying to be an arse.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 8:43 pm
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

5ths are perfect or diminished or augmented


Yeah, I didn't want to get too crazy describing the scale degrees and just stuck to referring to them by the scale they were pulled from.
Posted by Haplochrom
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:20 pm to
ill explain as easy as anyone wants. you have a possible 12 notes before you repeat the series chromatically. where you start the #1 is irrelevant, it only changes the name. the spacing STAYS THE SAME regardless of what the root is as long as you stay in the same mode. inside of these 12 possibles, we play 7 note scales. the eighth note is the root again. here is the layout of every possible note from the root (#1).

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

okay. now where we place the notes on this 12 possibilities, is what gives us this name. the modes are
ionian
dorian
phrygian
lydian
mixolydian
aeolian
locrian

so lets lay out an ionian mode. you can call it major if you want, but its ionian. w=whole tone, and h=half tone.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

W-w-h-w-w-w-h is the spacing for ionian. i bolded the W to show a relative position for later.

effectively that same spacing is used for every mode. you just start on the 1st-7th relative spot. you all like to use major vs minor, so lets now make a minor. minor is aeolian, which is the sixth in the series of modes.

w-w-h-w-w-W-h-w-w-h-w-w so to make the aeolian, all i did was count down 6 positions on the spacing and place my root there. i extended the ionian spacing out to show that the relationship between ionian and aeolian is cyclical. but the same could be said for any of the 7 modes.

so lets go back to our 13 notes (12 plus our octave root) and apply the aeolian mode. we already know the spacing because we set that up, so all we have to do is lay that template out either over the frets, or keys.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

so if you want dorian, just go back to your original spacing and start on the second position and fill out your 7 notes.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Haplochrom
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Yeah, I didn't want to get too crazy describing the scale degrees and just stuck to referring to them by the scale they were pulled from.



why did you change the diminished to augmented??? an augmented 5th is the minor 6th. the tritone stays as the diminished 5th

ETA: i didnt see that you had put "or", i thought you changed the diminished to augmented.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:36 pm to
I named some things to give you some stuff to look up. If you really want to understand it, I think this book by Tom Kolb focused on the guitar is a great place to start:

Music Theory: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know But Were Afraid to Ask (Guitar Method)

Among many other things, it will teach you how chords work and why they have the shapes they do.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 9:38 pm
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