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Board Opinion on Sam Cooke?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 5:47 pm
I’m sure most would agree that Sam Cooke is a legend with the kind of voice that will never be forgotten. How many of you would agree that Sam Cooke is the greatest soul singer of all?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:00 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Sam is great but I prefer Otis Redding.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:00 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:This isn't the MSB.
How many of you would agree that Sam Cooke is the greatest soul singer of all?
Not everything is a competition.
Please, no wagering.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I liked him as a singer, but that's where it ends.
He's was a racist scumbag that was also a rapist.
He's was a racist scumbag that was also a rapist.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:44 pm to hogcard1964
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He's was a racist scumbag that was also a rapist.
What? I hope you aren't talking about his killing. He was set up. Also, he is my favorite soul singer and clearly one of the best.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:56 pm to SaintlyTiger88
He's great. He's Rod Stewart's fav singer and he performs 'Having A Party' in concert a good bit. I think I may lean a bit more towards Otis though. Sam was ahead of his time as far running his business.
With that said, seeing as how Allan Klein was involved with him and was about to be either cut out or minimized I wouldn't be a bit surprised that Klein had something to do with his death. Klein is the reason the Stones don't have rights to their songs or recorded material prior to 1971. It was Klein's contract that also kept us all from a live album of the '72 tour with side one the opening act Stevie Wonder and the next three sides the Stones. Jagger wouldn't have pissed on Klein if he were on fire. It was only after Klein's death that the Stones worked with Klein's son and the company ABKCO to release a comprehensive greatest hits collection.
With that said, seeing as how Allan Klein was involved with him and was about to be either cut out or minimized I wouldn't be a bit surprised that Klein had something to do with his death. Klein is the reason the Stones don't have rights to their songs or recorded material prior to 1971. It was Klein's contract that also kept us all from a live album of the '72 tour with side one the opening act Stevie Wonder and the next three sides the Stones. Jagger wouldn't have pissed on Klein if he were on fire. It was only after Klein's death that the Stones worked with Klein's son and the company ABKCO to release a comprehensive greatest hits collection.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 7:31 pm to Kafka
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Not everything is a competition.
Amen
I love Sam Cooke, but there are so many greats, you should just try to appreciate them all.
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 7:41 pm to auggie
Junior high ...live at the copa. Good times
Posted on 1/27/21 at 7:55 pm to SaintlyTiger88
An iconic voice...his greatest hits spun often during brunch at il Posto uptown (RIP)
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:07 pm to rebelrouser
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What? I hope you aren't talking about his killing. He was set up. Also, he is my favorite soul singer and clearly one of the best.
Who told you that? The Remastered doc on Netflix? They should call that show "Rewrite history". Just about every episode that I've seen was playing very loose with the facts.
Rewatch the episode on Jam Master Jay. The facts in that case have came out since that episode was filmed.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:23 am to DaleGribble
Love the Live at Harlem Square album. One of my favorites ever, esp the original version.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:32 am to DaleGribble
quote:I've never seen that show.quote:Who told you that? The Remastered doc on Netflix? They should call that show "Rewrite history". Just about every episode that I've seen was playing very loose with the facts.
I hope you aren't talking about his killing. He was set up.
I also believe it was a setup. most likely a "Murphy game" (where a man is lured to a motel room to be robbed) that went wrong.
But I wouldn't put anything past Allen Klein. He had established a company in Cooke's name but which Klein actually controlled. He pulled this same con on the Rolling Stones. Keith Richards called their time with Klein "$25,000,000 worth of experience".
Klein was also connected to the infamous Morris Levy, who ordered the savage beating of pop singer Jimmie Rodgers, who was demanding an accounting of his royalties.
The idea that a music industry executive would commit an act of violence on an artist is hardly inconceivable.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:12 am to Kafka
So, the motel owner, who was on the phone with the hotel manager while she was being attacked by Cooke, was lying? The hotel manager and Cooke's victim too?
I'm familiar with Morris Levy and what he did to bands like Badfinger, but I still can't find any sympathy for Sam Cooke. He died doing what he loved to do.
I'm familiar with Morris Levy and what he did to bands like Badfinger, but I still can't find any sympathy for Sam Cooke. He died doing what he loved to do.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:02 pm to DaleGribble
I haven't seen any of the Netflix docs. Don't need to. Its been pretty widely accepted he up a hooker and took her to a hotel she suggested. She grabbed his clothes and wallet (oops) and fled the room. He confronted the manager who was supposedly in on the scheme to defraud johns. She shot him.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Sam Cooke is in the top 3 for me.
Marvin Gaye had the best range and is, IMO, the greatest soul/R&B tenor vocalist of all time.
Cooke and Redding are a 2a and 2b on his heels.
Marvin Gaye had the best range and is, IMO, the greatest soul/R&B tenor vocalist of all time.
Cooke and Redding are a 2a and 2b on his heels.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:34 pm to Dirk Dawgler
All mentioned above were great but I’ll throw in a name that’s not mentioned enough that is that’s the late great Johnnie Taylor. He’s influences were Cook and Redding and their careers mimicked each other. I don’t think he gets as much fame as the others but he was a great showman and very talented singer.
He could do it all.
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He could do it all.
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This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:54 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Al Green, Luther Vandross, Ronald Isley, and Teddy Pendergrass could all make a case.
It's hard for me to pick a favorite, but it's definitely not Sam Cooke.
It's hard for me to pick a favorite, but it's definitely not Sam Cooke.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 2:13 am to DaleGribble
Al Green..that's a big old counter, to the OP. I didn't think about him..damn that guy is great, and not just a singer,, incredible guitar player. Love the way he played, and I've heard people talk, that got to play with him some, and they loved the guy.
The great thing about threads like this, you get thinking about some other acts, and a guy that I knew a bit..Percy Sledge, great singer and hell of a cool guy. I wish that I had been a better writer, back when I was getting to be around him some...to hear him sing one of my songs maybe, that would have been so cool.
The great thing about threads like this, you get thinking about some other acts, and a guy that I knew a bit..Percy Sledge, great singer and hell of a cool guy. I wish that I had been a better writer, back when I was getting to be around him some...to hear him sing one of my songs maybe, that would have been so cool.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 2:39 am
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