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Marco Esquandolas
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Can you point me to a specific cartridge that you'd recommend for this table?


What is your budget?


Marco Esquandolas
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The Spleen



Linear Tracking...here’s my take...


Unless you are somewhat mechanical, stay away—they can be finicky, and picky with carts...and while those arms claim to fix “skating” issues, they introduce “drift” issues.

On extreme high end tables, it’s a different story, but those arms have air pumps and air bearings, and are $15-30k—so some over the top engineering to get them right.

I had a Bang & Olufsen linear tracking table years ago and it was effort.



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El Mattadorr
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What is your budget?

Like $120? I dunno. What's the best value cartridge to install into a $50 table?


Marco Esquandolas
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Grado blue

Ortofon 2M Red



Make sure to get standard mount version and not P-mount version.


El Mattadorr
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Sweet. I ordered the Grado. Going to pick up the turntable today.


El Mattadorr
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Picked up the Sansui table today and am very happy with it. It's so much nicer than the AT-LP60, which feels like a child's toy in comparison.

The Grado Blue cart will be here Monday.

Quick question, what is the little dial on the back of the tone arm?


r3lay3r
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The counter weight. When you mount the new cartridge, you have to balance the arm. Turn the counter weight in or out until the arm is level with the the turntable plith (base). Then you set the dial to zero. The cartridge will come with a sheet with suggested tracking (counterweight) force, usually something like 1.5-2.5 gram. So now you rotate the dial to the mid point of the suggested range (this is usually a good starting point).

FYI - correctly installing the cartridge is not just plug and play. You have to get everything aligned correctly. Did you perhaps get a cartridge alignment jig with the turntable? Also, the manual which will explain cartridge alignment. If not you can maybe find the manual online somewhere. Without the jig, you'll need an alignment protractor.


El Mattadorr
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Nope, didn't get a jig. Nor a manual. And it's a pretty old table so not sure I will find a manual, but I'll look.

So I need to order an alignment protractor?


r3lay3r
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There are simple ones that you can download and print in heavy paper stock.


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The Spleen
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Vinylengine.com has tons of manuals you can download and print. Check there.


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Marco Esquandolas
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You can also get a stylus force gauge for around $13 on Amazon...they come in handy and is an easier and accurate way to set the VTF (Vertical Tracking Force).




El Mattadorr
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There are several Sansui manuals on that site, but I couldn't find the one for my model (Classique 250t).

So, there are two things that I need to adjust when installing the new cartridge: (1) Vertical Tracking Force (which is done by adjusting the counter-weight or by using the stylus force gauge) AND (2) Cartridge Alignment (which is done by using an alignment protractor). Is this accurate?


dunkelman
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Looking at Lumin Servers.

Options:

1. New T1. $4,500
2. New A1. $4,999
3. Used/Mint S1. $5,999 on Audiogon

What are your thoughts?


Marco Esquandolas
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Yeah—I’ve been eyeing the one on AGon...

I have heard great things about the S1 (actually all of the Lumin servers).

My only issue with it is the lack of ability to stream 4K video and the implementation of a browser (built into the server)—so I can use it to stream live concerts and send audio to my D1100 DAC, and video through the Anthem pre-pro (in audio bypass mode) to the projector.

This has me leaning to the Lampizator Komputer (made in Poland)—it can do audio and video and is a tube based piece.


If you can sit tight for a couple weeks, I will find out more about all streamers as I am headed to Rocky Mountain Audio Fest Sept. 6-9. This has become the premier high end audio show in the US. I can let you know what is on the horizon for streamers.




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r3lay3r
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That's right, although with or without the stylus force gage you will still rotate the counterweight to adjust the applied force.

Here's a short YouTube video showing the steps.
Turntable cartridge install

This is with a ProJect turntable, but most the of steps will be the same. You may or maynot have an anti-skate adjustment and it might be a knob/pot adjustment and not hanging a weight. Also, I'm guessing that your Sansui turntable probably has a detachable head on the tonearm, that was typically of base models from that time period. If so, you can remove the head and cartridge together. Mount the new cartridge and then reattach the head to the tonearm. As mentioned in the video, keep the stylus guard/cover in place while mounting the cartridge. It's very easy to bump something and damage/break the stylus cantilever. Once everything is in place, you remove the guard to do the alignment and tracking force adjustments, just be careful when lowering or swinging the tonearm.
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PhilipMarlowe
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Haven’t listened to any of the higher end models, but I’ve been using the D2 for the past few months and I really enjoy it. Definitely a step up over the Node 2, even though I really liked the Node as well.

Primarily just use it for Tidal, but I also have it setup to access the 50-60 albums stored on a local computer. It hasn’t had any issues accessing any of the files.

My only real complaint with Lumin is that I’m not a huge fan of their app. Everything works as it should, but it’s just not as intuitive as the Bluesound UI. I should say that I pretty much only use the app on my iPhone though, and it’s probably a better experience on the IPad. I just can’t be bothered to get my iPad out as I never use it, and it’s always low on battery.


mardigraspete
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Hey, i'm hoping to get yall's advice and opinions.

I'm looking at integrated amps and speakers.

Amps are line magnetic, this is my first choice.
raven, prima luna, rogue. budget around <3k used. these are generally low powered. Any others i should look at?

the speakers are the hard part. budget around the same used.

im ordering the zu dirty weekend when they go on sale nov
1st to try out. cant go wrong here, seems to me.

looking at the mid range line of most of the players.
kef, dynaudio,focal, tannoy, spendor,sonus faber etc. some of these i can listen to around the b.r. area. some not

they need to be able to run on 20 to 50 watts
any ideas?

Thanks!


Marco Esquandolas
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Line Magnetic is one of the Chinese built amps that is SOLID!...my friend that does all the metal plated posters in my room had one for a couple years. He sold it only because he started down the 16 ohm single driver speaker rabbit hole, and went to Atma-Sphere amps—they are OTL amps (Output TransformerLess), and are a better match for such drivers.

Primal Luna is good stuff too...they will operate on a plethora of tubes. I will see Kevin Deal, the importer for Prima Luna and owner of Upscale Audio, next weekend at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest. If you want, hit me up...I’ll mention you to Kevin—he will give all my referrals a pretty good discount.

Rogue Audio—well built USA gear and has been around a long time. It probably doesn’t have the refinement of Line Magnetic or Prima Luna, but it isn’t far off. It is very well built and there is a plus to having a manufacturer stateside.

Zu are efficient, as you know. Their sound is not like that of a conventional speaker though...but not in a bad way...just different. It takes some getting used to if you are accustomed to conventional. I am having dinner with Sean, owner of Zu, on Friday evening in Denver, and will find out more about upcoming updates.

I’m not a big fan of Tannoy or Spendor—they have that drab Sterling LS3/5 sound. I compare it to British food—it will give you sustenance, but that’s about it. Same for Harbeth. But that is just my opinion.

French speakers sound like their food as well—rich, but not so heavy as to leave you not wanting a dessert to top it off.

German speaker’s tend to be, well, German—-clinical, exact, over engineered, over the top—but if you can afford them, they are for the most part, the real deal.

Sonus Faber—Italian—I liken their mid to upper end lines to Italian cars—they blend mechanics and precision with art. You may also want to check out Zengali speakers as well—horn drivers that are stunningly beautiful. See Pathos and Unison Research audio gear for more Italian examples of this.

I haven’t heard Dynaudio in a long time, so I really can’t give input on them.


You got rid of the c50 and MC275?...McIntosh released a new hybrid integrated yesterday...a bigger, more featured version of the MC252...$6500.




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mardigraspete
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yeah, i still have it. Great stuff especially the amp. Beautiful sound. The 275 your friend Richard sold me was dead mint.

We're semi retiring in a couple years and moving to a small cabin. Looking to simplify.

The line magnetic's im looking at are the 518ia and the 211ia. These are apparently 2 different style amps. the 518 class A. set. The 211 more traditional style el34 push/pull. Whatever that means. Any experience with class A? Thoughts on these 2?

Have you heard any thing about raven amps? Made in somewhere in texas. nice looking stuff.

i would be interested in anything kevin has to say. That guy's great, i've seen his video's. He could sell shoes to a snake.

You know Sean? I've seen his video's too. Another interesting guy. I hope his companies doing well. It's good to see the small guy doing well in audio. Gotta be a tough business.

Thanks again and safe travels


Brinner
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hey right now I'm running a JVC JL-F30 Turntable to a Sansui 2000x receiver. I'm listening through cheap Sony headphones right now. It really is amazing how it sounds through headphones even with the cheap ones. I would like to bring this to the next level.

Which headphones do you think would pair best with my setup in the $100 range?


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