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Posted on 12/21/17 at 5:22 pm to HebertFest08
I would not swap out the stylus.
Maybe look at Sumiko
I have one of these and like it for the price.
Maybe look at Sumiko
I have one of these and like it for the price.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:50 pm to Marco Esquandolas
So that’s a MC cart like the Hana... would there be any issues with getting it to work well since there is no VTA?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:58 pm to HebertFest08
Honestly, those people talking about minute VTA (vertical tracking angle) adjustments on a $350 cart is absurd. In fact, the only real way to get VTA nailed is using by using a digital microscope with the ability to measure angles (SRA (Stylus Rake Angle) and VTA go hand in hand). So these people are "eyeing" a 2° angle of the needle with respect to the groove surface??
You can listen for minute changes in sound, but those minute differences usually don't make themselves audible until you get into carts that are in the $2000 range and up mounted on an arm/table combo that is equally precise.
They are full of crap and trying to sound like they know "audio speak".
Chime in and ask them how they set azimuth...ill wait for the response. (If azimuth is off, you can throw VTA down the drain--it won't matter). An electronic Fozgometer will get it close, while an oscilloscope will nail it.
Ask those folks if they have used an oscilloscope to nail down azimuth on their $350 carts (they haven't).
Get the Hana, Blue Point Evo 3, or upper Ortofon and enjoy. Worry about VTA when you have read enough about it and really understand how it works and how it affects playback, and when your cart/arm/table combo are up to the task of allowing you to hear these minute differences.
Also--ask them if they change the VTA every time they switch from a 160g to a 180g to a 200g LP--because the thicker record changes the VTA of the stylus.
Hardened audio geeks either pick a happy medium, or have a mega table with multiple tone arms, each set to a different VTA for 160g, 180g, and 200g records.
You can listen for minute changes in sound, but those minute differences usually don't make themselves audible until you get into carts that are in the $2000 range and up mounted on an arm/table combo that is equally precise.
They are full of crap and trying to sound like they know "audio speak".
Chime in and ask them how they set azimuth...ill wait for the response. (If azimuth is off, you can throw VTA down the drain--it won't matter). An electronic Fozgometer will get it close, while an oscilloscope will nail it.
Ask those folks if they have used an oscilloscope to nail down azimuth on their $350 carts (they haven't).
Get the Hana, Blue Point Evo 3, or upper Ortofon and enjoy. Worry about VTA when you have read enough about it and really understand how it works and how it affects playback, and when your cart/arm/table combo are up to the task of allowing you to hear these minute differences.
Also--ask them if they change the VTA every time they switch from a 160g to a 180g to a 200g LP--because the thicker record changes the VTA of the stylus.
Hardened audio geeks either pick a happy medium, or have a mega table with multiple tone arms, each set to a different VTA for 160g, 180g, and 200g records.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:02 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Damn Marco knows his shite lol
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:30 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Well shite... I feel stupid for talking to those dudes. Any of the shite they said about the phono and the cart needing to be around 47k ohms for it to sound right? Also, said I 100% needed a high output model.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:28 pm to HebertFest08
There is no "around 47,000 ohms". Most phono stages offer a number of resistive or capacitive settings for MC or MM cartridges respectively.
They may be, for example, for resistive loading, 50, 100, 150, 200, 500, 1000ohms (some offer fewer and some offer more) for MC.
For capacitive loading, for MM, they may be 500, 1000, 2000, or 47,000 (again, fewer or more depending on the level of your phono stage).
The 47,000ohm setting is what is sometimes called "wide open", as it is at such a high setting, it is basically not creating any back load on the cart. Think of it as setting the upper speed limit on a Camry at 180mph--well, it only goes about 120, so that setting is basically "wide open".
They may be, for example, for resistive loading, 50, 100, 150, 200, 500, 1000ohms (some offer fewer and some offer more) for MC.
For capacitive loading, for MM, they may be 500, 1000, 2000, or 47,000 (again, fewer or more depending on the level of your phono stage).
The 47,000ohm setting is what is sometimes called "wide open", as it is at such a high setting, it is basically not creating any back load on the cart. Think of it as setting the upper speed limit on a Camry at 180mph--well, it only goes about 120, so that setting is basically "wide open".
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:37 pm to HebertFest08
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Also, said I 100% needed a high output model.
That depends on the phono stage you are using.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:42 pm to Marco Esquandolas
They were supposedly using the numbers on the phono in the Nomad.
Also... as always, appreciate the info.
Also... as always, appreciate the info.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 12/22/17 at 4:16 pm to HebertFest08
Doesn't the Nomad have a built in phonostage? MM only. So to use a MC cartridge, other than high output, you would have to bypass the phonostage and supply your own.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 4:39 pm to r3lay3r
There is a device called a step up transformer, which is used to boost an MC cartridge gain high enough so that an MM photo stage can be used. The problem here is that the phono stage is built-in, and I would imagine it to be very difficult to put a step up transformer in between the tonearm output and the built-in photo section.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 5:25 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Not 100% off hand.... but I think it’s non defeatable. Again not 100%, I may be able to b/c the 2nd generation is defeatable.
Need to look at the instructions again and or email VPI.
Need to look at the instructions again and or email VPI.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 6:22 pm to HebertFest08
Posted on 12/23/17 at 6:02 pm to HebertFest08
On now...
Santana--"Lotus"...CBS Records, 3 LP, recorded live from Osaka Koseinenkin Hall, Osaka, Japan, July 3rd & 4th, 1973.
Santana--"Lotus"...CBS Records, 3 LP, recorded live from Osaka Koseinenkin Hall, Osaka, Japan, July 3rd & 4th, 1973.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:22 am to Marco Esquandolas
Pregame... Go Saints! Merry Christmas!
The Doors “Absolutely Live”, 2017 Record Store Day special edition on midnight blue vinyl. Thanks to a good buddy that grabbed this for me.
The Doors “Absolutely Live”, 2017 Record Store Day special edition on midnight blue vinyl. Thanks to a good buddy that grabbed this for me.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 5:36 pm to river_man
Chris letchford - lightbox
Little brother gifted this to me today not to bad so far
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:46 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Came in here thinking I wanted to get into vinyls...
quote:
Honestly, those people talking about minute VTA (vertical tracking angle) adjustments on a $350 cart is absurd. In fact, the only real way to get VTA nailed is using by using a digital microscope with the ability to measure angles (SRA (Stylus Rake Angle) and VTA go hand in hand). So these people are "eyeing" a 2° angle of the needle with respect to the groove surface??
You can listen for minute changes in sound, but those minute differences usually don't make themselves audible until you get into carts that are in the $2000 range and up mounted on an arm/table combo that is equally precise.
They are full of crap and trying to sound like they know "audio speak".
Chime in and ask them how they set azimuth...ill wait for the response. (If azimuth is off, you can throw VTA down the drain--it won't matter). An electronic Fozgometer will get it close, while an oscilloscope will nail it.
Ask those folks if they have used an oscilloscope to nail down azimuth on their $350 carts (they haven't).
Get the Hana, Blue Point Evo 3, or upper Ortofon and enjoy. Worry about VTA when you have read enough about it and really understand how it works and how it affects playback, and when your cart/arm/table combo are up to the task of allowing you to hear these minute differences.
Also--ask them if they change the VTA every time they switch from a 160g to a 180g to a 200g LP--because the thicker record changes the VTA of the stylus.
Hardened audio geeks either pick a happy medium, or have a mega table with multiple tone arms, each set to a different VTA for 160g, 180g, and 200g records.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:03 pm to beHop
It's not that complicated for the simple person I promise you lol. Definitely a cool hobby to get into, just not cheap
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:08 pm to beHop
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It's not that complicated for the simple person I promise you lol. Definitely a cool hobby to get into, just not cheap
You came in and read one of the craziest post in a while... like David said, it’s a cool hobby. Just can be a rabbit hole of sorts.
You have anything yet? If not, throw out a budget and you can find out about some good equipment and recs.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 1:28 am to beHop
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Came in here thinking I wanted to get into vinyls...
They are called records.
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