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re: Audiophile/Vinyl Thread - Post Pics, Advice, Questions, Setups, etc.

Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:15 am to
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:15 am to
Would a stretched out belt make things sound high pitched on my TT?

Use to take me 10 mins to put the belt on right now it just fits on easy as could be.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 11:01 am to
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Would a stretched out belt make things sound high pitched on my TT?

Good chance it will make the speed inconsistent, and more likely slower - I notice on my Rega, newer belts make the speed faster. However, I will defer to Marco for the definitive answer.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 11:03 am to
BigPapi is pretty spot on regarding the belt.

Are you plugged into a power filter?
Posted by beHop
Landmass
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 1:45 pm to
As far as equipment goes, $350 or so (lol tree fiddy).

And to the fella below me. Yeah, ok "records" it is.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:38 pm to
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Are you plugged into a power filter?


Like a power strip? Yes it is if so.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11814 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 10:22 pm to
Alright then, do two things...

First, plug it directly into an outlet all on its own (doesn't have to be permanent, just to test). Have no other motors or lights on the same circuit as the turntable motor. Most turntable motors spin at a constant rpm that is based off a 60Hz sine wave coming out of the socket. If that is fluctuating a good bit, it can affect speed.

How far off is it speedwise? Sluggish, or just unlistenable? Is it constant? Did it just start, or has it been going down steadily? Is the belt the exact replacement? Have you checked it with another belt?


Second, pull the platter off and check the bearing/spindle. Is it spinning with ease and no friction?

What is the model of the table? I'll look up some things about it.

This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 10:29 pm to
Also...go to the App Store and search for "platter speed". There is an app that will give you a damn good read of your true speed and fluctuations, with graphs and a median. It is what Michael Fremer (Stereophile magazine) uses when he does reviews on turntables--even on the $100k+ ones!

You do need a turntable test record though. One can be ordered from the likes of ElusiveDisc or Music Direct for around $20 or so. I will look up mine in a bit and let you know which one to get--it is a good thing to have as it has a slew of test patterns and tones to set many settings if you so desire.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 10:31 pm
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6533 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 7:40 am to
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As far as equipment goes, $350 or so (lol tree fiddy).


For everything? Or $350 for a turntable? If you need everything... You will need a turntable, phono pre amp, amp and speakers. Also, will need speaker cables and interconnects.

quote:

And to the fella below me. Yeah, ok "records" it is.


Might not want to bite that hand.... so to speak.
Marco is a damn encyclopedia when it comes to records and equipment... and is literally the most helpful person on this board. He will go way out of his way to help out posters.
Posted by TigerRob82
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
407 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 10:09 am to
Looking to get started in Vinyl. I have kids so nothing to delicate. Budget of around $1k to start. Ill need Speakers Turntable Amp pre Amp etc. Looking for recs ! thanks in advance guys.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11814 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 2:07 pm to
On now...





Steely Dan--"Gaucho"...DVD Audio, Dolby Digital 5.1, 24 bit/96k surround version of the original master.

I only have a handful of these DVD Audio discs--they are neat to play around with every so often. I haven't had a 5.1 set up in a few years, so now that I do, I am playing these 5.1 versions.


Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:12 am to
You need to check out some Steven Wilson mixes in 5.1. He is really talented in that medium and has remixed a lot of fantastic older albums. Instead of going full on copypasta, it's easier to just link to the thread of the albums he has mixed.

Steven Wilson mixes

I have listened to 5.1 mixes done by several people, and none of them seem make the space work the same way as he does.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:18 am to
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Chris letchford - lightbox

Little brother gifted this to me today not to bad so far


Nice. Chris is a fantastic guitarist. I hadn't heard this album previously. Way jazzier sound than he puts out with Scale the Summit.
Posted by TigerRob82
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
407 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:15 am to
Project Carbon SB


I mean, how hard is this to take apart and paint ? I like the Beatles but don't know if I want it branded like this, but it seems like a great price on the TT.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3469 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:26 pm to
As much as I like the Beatles, I agree with you that the plinth is garish and hard to look at. Taking the platter, sub platter and arm off wouldn't be hard at all (at least it is not on a Rega, which is similarly constructed), but making the paint job look good is likely not easy. Getting paint to stick to that and look good is going to require a good bit of surface prep. If you have the tools and materials to do such things, maybe not a bad proposition, otherwise I would say just buy the same TT with a decent looking plinth for an extra $150.
Posted by TigerRob82
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
407 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:43 pm to
Is the Acrylic Platter and the Push button speed change worth the $150 over the regular version ?
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3469 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

The Benz's interior always shows wear and tear to soon, or else it would be easy answer.


I think the answer is yes, if you can afford it. It would be a better speed controller as far as that part goes, and I think that the acrylic platter is also a significant upgrade. If budget is tight, then I think some of the experts here would tell you you could live without that.

What phono stage do you have, or are you planning on acquiring?
Posted by TigerRob82
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
407 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:22 pm to
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What phono stage do you have, or are you planning on acquiring?


When I landed on a TT I was just going to buy whatever they recommended. Since I think I am leaning toward Project, I was thinking the project mm to start with.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3469 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 2:00 pm to
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When I landed on a TT I was just going to buy whatever they recommended. Since I think I am leaning toward Project, I was thinking the project mm to start with.

I think that gets high marks for a budget phono stage, but allow me to make one suggestion to at least consider - the Schiit Mani. Allows for a little more flexibility and tweaking, still qualifies as a "budget" offering if you ask me at $125. Plenty of print and video reviews to check it out. I know its another $50 bucks, but I would suggest it is money well spent.

Mani preamp
Posted by TigerRob82
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
407 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 2:32 pm to
Definitely, I have read some and heard of the Schitt brand. Is the Loki any better besides having an EQ ?

Is it better to put money into the amp/speakers to start or the TT ?

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11814 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 3:30 pm to
When starting out, always throw as much as you can at the speakers--go as big as you can. It is a lot more difficult to sell/move speakers than a smaller object. Also, you will get a ton more low end with a larger speaker--physics.

IMO, a $350 Project/Rega will suffice....use it for a year and learn its sound. Go listen to other better systems and then evaluate what yours is missing. If you want to go up the ladder, my advice is to not throw $500 worth of upgrades on the entry table, but to move up to something like a VPI scout. Again, use the cart from the Project in the scout, then after some time when you have more funds, put a good MC cart on it.

At each stage you will notice subtle differences.
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