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Any way to make Apple Music shuffle actually random?

Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:32 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32630 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:32 am
I have a playlist of 150+ songs I listen to while I’m hanging outside. Apple shuffle always shuffles to the same dozen or so songs. I guess the algorithm is saying I want that, however I actually want it to randomly shuffle to any of the songs in my playlist.

Anyway to make it more random?
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
1144 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:55 am to
I've had this problem no matter the platform: Apple, Amazon, Spotify...

Hoping someone here has a fix!
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
24318 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:46 am to
I don't think I've come across a music app that ever shuffled randomly. YouTube Music will play the same artist back to back to back when shuffling a large playlist.

The only thing I've tried that kind of works is starting the playlist with a random song. It seems to make the algorithm change things up a little.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1280 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:54 am to
According to my math major with grad degree daughters, no. no such thing as truly random, from an algorithm. YMMV
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 8:55 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32630 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:05 am to
It’s super annoying, I wish there was a totally random setting.

One explanation I read that kind of makes sense is that when it’s is randomly shuffling it prioritizes songs that load fast. So a song that plays right away will get pushed to the front over a song that is going to buffer for a few seconds.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
25758 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:17 am to
Make a playlist of the songs you want to hear. Shuffle that playlist.
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
1144 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:24 am to
quote:

Make a playlist of the songs you want to hear. Shuffle that playlist.


You get the same problem, but with a smaller catalog to work through.
Posted by A12 Oxcart
On the float out in the Belt
Member since Dec 2022
782 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:32 am to
This is one of the reasons I still use my iPod where I can. When you choose shuffle, it only plays each song once.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32630 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:38 am to
quote:

Make a playlist of the songs you want to hear. Shuffle that playlist.

This is exactly what I do but what I’m saying is it doesn’t shuffle randomly. It still shuffles primarily onto the same dozen or so songs and there are some songs in my playlist that almost never get picked.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
24318 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:42 am to
quote:

According to my math major with grad degree daughters, no. no such thing as truly random, from an algorithm. YMMV



That's true. Computers cannot generate pure randomness. Which is why companies that deal with encryption use novel ideas to try and randomize things.

Cloudflare uses a wall of lava lamps. As the lava lamp bubbles move, a video camera on the ceiling mirrors their changes to a computer, which converts the randomness into a code that's pretty much un-hackable.
Posted by Bayouboogaloocrew
Dixie
Member since Jul 2013
4201 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:50 am to
I have a large playlist on Spotify and it seems very random to me. The more songs the more random shuffle I guess
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
1144 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:53 am to
My biggest Spotify playlist has about 2700 songs.

I can reliably predict what will play when I hit "shuffle."
Posted by Bayouboogaloocrew
Dixie
Member since Jul 2013
4201 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:55 am to
Mine is around 1500 songs and I don’t have that problem
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
25758 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:22 am to
quote:

This is exactly what I do but what I’m saying is it doesn’t shuffle randomly. It still shuffles primarily onto the same dozen or so songs and there are some songs in my playlist that almost never get picked.

Don't put songs in the playlist that you don't want to hear. Make a playlist of the songs you want to hear that never get picked. This really is a first world problem of the day type of riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an iPod.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36804 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Apple
It just works.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
68021 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:53 am to
I have about 2k on a general Spotify playlist and it’s long been a common problem among subscribers.

One solution I’ve seen mentioned is to filter your playlist in various ways, such as alphabetically or newly added to old. If you keep starting the randomized play the same way, by pressing play on the same first song, you’re likely to keep getting similar “randomized” results.
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