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Posted on 9/20/12 at 3:03 pm to bobbyray21
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More like galaxies apart.
yeah the venn diagram bleedovers of reggae-punk hybrids, rap/singing tradeoffs, marijuana worship, and a regional southwestern heritage makes them totally alien from one another.
This post was edited on 9/20/12 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 9/20/12 at 3:44 pm to Baloo
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comparing Sublime to 311
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both were hard rock acts
By what measure? Are we calling Elvis heavy metal?
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heavily influenced by ska and raggae
Extremely simplistic. Does everyone that was influenced by the Beatles get lumped together? That's pretty dumb.
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A shame about ska. I really liked ska. It was fun.
I'm seriously questioning your taste now.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 3:48 pm to Jester
Does anyone in here understand the difference between reggae and dub?
Posted on 9/20/12 at 3:53 pm to Leauxgan
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yeah the venn diagram bleedovers of reggae-punk hybrids, rap/singing tradeoffs, marijuana worship, and a regional southwestern heritage makes them totally alien from one another.
If you can't hear the extremely clear stylistic difference between 311 and Sublime, you either don't want to or are incapable. The guitar work is VERY different. Rhythmically, Sublime's strongest influence comes from dub, which 311 does not use. So, they both rap from time to time, I guess we should go ahead and lump in Blondie. Hell, throw in Rage Against the Machine.
Sublime and RATM are SOOOOO much alike. Both use rap and singing and have punk influences. Pushah!
Posted on 9/20/12 at 3:54 pm to Jester
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By what measure? Are we calling Elvis heavy metal?
By the measure they were rock acts who leaned towards "hard" over "soft". Neither band will be confused with Chicago. Elvis is not heavy metal, but neither are these two bands. They are rock bands. Actually, for a majority of his career (post-army), Elvis wasn't really rock at all -- he was a crooner. But he's Elvis, so let's let it slide. He can be rock even when he's doing a lounge act.
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Extremely simplistic. Does everyone that was influenced by the Beatles get lumped together? That's pretty dumb.
Of course it's simplistic. But are we denying that 311 and Sublime were both heavily influenced by ska and reggae. It's not coincidental to their sound. It's a major part of it.
Yeah, most bands primarily influenced by the Beatles get labelled "power pop". Is it dumb? Maybe. But it's convenient shorthand for describing a band's sound, though clearly if you like the Smithereens, it doesn't mean you'll like Dressy Bessy.
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I'm seriously questioning your taste now.
Ska was fun. Good, goofy fun. I mean, I had a blast at ska shows. But hey, I understand that you may not like fun. To each his own. I don't stay up at nights worried about what other people think of my musical tastes.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:00 pm to Jester
well I was mostly just disposing of bobbyrays absurd claim that the two bands were "galaxies apart" when they're so clearly not. but there's no need to be a pedant.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:22 pm to Jester
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Sublime's strongest influence comes from dub, which 311 does not use
311's Rub a Dub?
I'd say there is definitely dub influence in a lot of their songs. **But probably not in the purest form.
This post was edited on 9/20/12 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:33 pm to Cdawg
without researching -- because again I'm a pretty big fan of 311 as well -- this song came to mind immediately:
Leaving This Babylon
I'm not sure if Sublime has a dubbier track than that besides maybe Doin' Time or something
edit: also let me pre-empt a pissing contest of splitting musical semantics and genre histories. the fact is it's absurd to try and divorce the similarities between these two bands. playing the slippery slope game of "WELL RATM IS LIKE THE BEATLES IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT" is just gonna get you nowhere
Leaving This Babylon
I'm not sure if Sublime has a dubbier track than that besides maybe Doin' Time or something
edit: also let me pre-empt a pissing contest of splitting musical semantics and genre histories. the fact is it's absurd to try and divorce the similarities between these two bands. playing the slippery slope game of "WELL RATM IS LIKE THE BEATLES IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT" is just gonna get you nowhere
This post was edited on 9/20/12 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 9/20/12 at 4:56 pm to Leauxgan
You don't understand. One band is a fusion of rock and reggae and the other band is a fusion of rock and a SUBGENRE of reggae. Totally different.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 5:17 pm to Baloo
Well said man. And to add to that, how about one band had soul. How about one had superior musicians and songwriting. How about one had a singer that could sing an obituary column and the shite would still sound smooth. There's not much comparison beyond some influences if you ask me. They just get lumped together because they came from that SoCal ska scene around the same time
Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:13 pm to Leauxgan
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Leaving This Babylon
You KNOW this is a Bad Brains cover right?!?
Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:21 pm to cachemoney
BOOM fricking ROASTED
Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:21 pm to Chef Leppard
311 and Sublime are two opposite ends of the same spectrum. Its kind of like comparing Pearl Jam and Nirvana, sure its possible but its kind of silly.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:33 pm to Leauxgan
Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:40 pm to Baloo
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Ska was fun. Good, goofy fun. I mean, I had a blast at ska shows
Man...I was at an EDM show recently just having fun with friends, and without thinking about it I had started a skank line and we had like half a dozen people going...
I remember ska shows when I was younger (jr. high/hs), when Fishbone, the Urge, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Mustard Plug, Streetlight Manifesto, Reel Big Fish, all with varying degrees of success would put on the funnest shows. Ahhh nostalgia
Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:01 pm to cachemoney
Real Situation (cover ) obviously
Had a Dat
Lazerbeam
and best for last: At It Again
Nobody did it or done it like Brad. He was genuine, knew he was a frickup, knew his addiction would kill him (Pool Shark), but he knew he was the mf man. I've been listening to Sublime for years now and definitely don't put them anywhere near today's 311, 'Music' and 'Grassroots' maybe.
At any rate, Sublime died with him and should've never been attempted to be brought back as Brad wrote the lyrics and melodies for close to every song they ever made. Their first album, Jah, is on the upper end of my scale.
OP- They make two more chart-toppers off of Self-titled's fame and slowly ease off of the punk rock vibes and into the mainstream until they lose that faithful, underground backing they always had. Brad remembers his roots and puts out another attempt at the way things used to be, world tour ensues, after which everyone involved goes solo. Then Brad dies of OD and everyone reflects on his greatness, much like today, because the only way to avoid selling out is going out when you're on top.
Had a Dat
Lazerbeam
and best for last: At It Again
Nobody did it or done it like Brad. He was genuine, knew he was a frickup, knew his addiction would kill him (Pool Shark), but he knew he was the mf man. I've been listening to Sublime for years now and definitely don't put them anywhere near today's 311, 'Music' and 'Grassroots' maybe.
At any rate, Sublime died with him and should've never been attempted to be brought back as Brad wrote the lyrics and melodies for close to every song they ever made. Their first album, Jah, is on the upper end of my scale.
OP- They make two more chart-toppers off of Self-titled's fame and slowly ease off of the punk rock vibes and into the mainstream until they lose that faithful, underground backing they always had. Brad remembers his roots and puts out another attempt at the way things used to be, world tour ensues, after which everyone involved goes solo. Then Brad dies of OD and everyone reflects on his greatness, much like today, because the only way to avoid selling out is going out when you're on top.
Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:06 pm to MrBobDobalina
Sublime had punk roots
311.. Um.. Not so much
There's a glaring difference right there that we could talk about for 3 more pages
311.. Um.. Not so much
There's a glaring difference right there that we could talk about for 3 more pages
Posted on 9/20/12 at 10:06 pm to cachemoney
Sublime was very inventive. Would've been interesting to see them evolve.
Posted on 9/21/12 at 9:03 am to Jester
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A shame about ska. I really liked ska. It was fun.
I'm seriously questioning your taste now
cool guy alert
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