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re: 18 years ago today, Kurt Cobain passed away.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:03 am to RedHawk
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:03 am to RedHawk
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None of those bands have really been that popular since the grunge movement died down.
I wouldn't say that. Grunge music just wasn't pop music anymore. I think all of those you mentioned made some great music after the movement died down.
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:03 am to beezylsu
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His suicide catapulted that band and himself into this god like status that neither he nor the band ever deserved.
This is completly false.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:08 am to LSUTigerfaninHtown
I was huge into Nirvana and still listen to there stuff, but I am of the opinion that if he would not have immortalized himself by blowing his brains out, they would have faded into obscurity like all the other grunge bands of the 90's.
Grunge was a fad that killed the hair bands of the 80's and rock music in general. Radio stations changed there line ups and only began playing either classic rock only or whatever was considered alternative rock. Any band like Aerosmith that was still making Rock couldn't even get airtime in the late 90's.
It wasn't until 2000-01 or so when bands like Godsmack, System of A Down, Disturbed, Staind, Linkin Park and yes Nickelback started getting more air time on the radio that the air waves began showing a slight resemblance of rock again.
Grunge was a fad that killed the hair bands of the 80's and rock music in general. Radio stations changed there line ups and only began playing either classic rock only or whatever was considered alternative rock. Any band like Aerosmith that was still making Rock couldn't even get airtime in the late 90's.
It wasn't until 2000-01 or so when bands like Godsmack, System of A Down, Disturbed, Staind, Linkin Park and yes Nickelback started getting more air time on the radio that the air waves began showing a slight resemblance of rock again.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:10 am to alajones
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they would have faded into obscurity like all the other grunge bands of the 90's.
Pearl Jam faded into obscurity?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:10 am to RedHawk
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Chances are that they were already done making good music. Look at the other bands that survived that era. Smashing Pumpkins, STP, and Pearl Jam. None of those bands have really been that popular since the grunge movement died down
being less popular doesn't mean you stop making good music. While I think Ten, Vs and Vitology are PJs best albums, some of their later ones are also very good.
That said, there are several bands that continued to make great music for long periods. The Rolling Stones made great records into the 1980's and even artists away from their original bands, like Roger Waters, Assumed to Death is a great record released in 1992.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:12 am to alajones
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Any band like Aerosmith that was still making Rock couldn't even get airtime in the late 90's.
Maybe you missed their I don't want to miss a thaaaang song...
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:14 am to alajones
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I am of the opinion that if he would not have immortalized himself by blowing his brains out
This is just a standby excuse for people that don't like or think Nirvana was over rated. I've even heard people say the same thing about John Lennon (people only think he was great because he is dead). What horse shite. We have plenty of rock legends that are still alive and while Nirvana would probably not have cranked out #1 albums to this day, its very possible, even likely that them or just Cobain solo would have continued to put out good music.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:14 am to LoneStarTiger
quote:Compared to their first two albums I would say yes. They are still touring and playing, but they are nothing like what they were from 92-94.
Pearl Jam faded into obscurity?
Pearl Jam wasn't as 'grunge' as Nirvana, STP, AiC or Soundgarden anyway.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:18 am to alajones
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Compared to their first two albums I would say yes. They are still touring and playing, but they are nothing like what they were from 92-94.
is they are still touring and drawing big crowds, they haven't faded to obscurity. The Rolling Stones weren't cranking out hits by the 1990's, but I'd hardly say they faded to obscurity.
Vanilla Ice faded to obscurity. Grunge bands may not be as popular as they once were. No one remains as popular as they were at first. New kids want new music. But grunge band are still very much alive and well.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:20 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I guess you missed the part where I said I loved Nirvana. I still own Nevermind, Unplugged, The Black Album, and In Utero.
This is just a standby excuse for people that don't like or think Nirvana was over rated.
As far as them being over rated, that depends on what you mean. I've already said what effect I believe they had on the music scene in general and it was short lived but very consequential.
Whether or not they would have maintained any sort of legend status wasn't really what I was getting at. I think Kurt is propped way up because he never had the chance to fade away.
(Better to burn out than to fade away)
I'd compare it more to Jim Morrison than to John Lennon.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:21 am to H-Town Tiger
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is they are still touring and drawing big crowds, they haven't faded to obscurity.
More of a nostalgia act as opposed to still making great music. People go to those shows expecting to hear Jeremy, Alive and Evenflow.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:24 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:So are the Doobie Brothers and Lynyrd Skynyrd. It doesn't make them relevant.
is they are still touring and drawing big crowds, they haven't faded to obscurity
I think we are getting to the point Chicken didn't want us to get at with the Music Board. We are arguing personal opinions at this point.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:26 am to alajones
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It wasn't until 2000-01 or so when bands like Godsmack, System of A Down, Disturbed, Staind, Linkin Park and yes Nickelback started getting more air time on the radio that the air waves began showing a slight resemblance of rock again.
All of those bands are heavily influenced by grunge and all suck balls. What killed grunge was the crappy knockoff bands that came in their wake which begat even crappier knockoffs of the knockoffs. Which is how we end up with Nickelback. What killed rock was terrible bands being foisted on the buying public, and the public rightly rejected them. It's bands like Staind and Seether which drive kids from buying rock music. If I thought that was all rock had to offer, I'd listen to hip hop, too. (Well, I do listen to hip hop in addition to rock, but you get my point).
I do think it's impossible to understate the impact of heroin on the grunge scene. It took it's toll on Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Screaming Trees, Mother Love Bone (so Pearl Jam by extension), Seven Year Bitch, and Mudhoney. About the only major grunge band untouched by it was Soundgarden.
What owuld've happend had Cobain lived? I think they'd either be putting out fun rock out albums that only a few hardcore fans buy (like Mudhoney -- still awesome) or Cobain would have gone the Mark Lanegan route and put out a string of highly regarded singer-songwriter albums. Actually, I think this is the most likely outcome. You wanna know what Cobain would be doing? Look to his fellow heroin addict, Mark Lanegan. Howl and Bubblegum are probably better than anything the Trees did aside from Nearly Lost You, which I think is the definitive grunge single.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:29 am to RedHawk
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More of a nostalgia act as opposed to still making great music
no, nostalgia acts don't put out or play new music, they just relive the past. Just because you don't like it or it doesn't sell 15M copies doesn't mean its no good.
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People go to those shows expecting to hear Jeremy, Alive and Evenflow.
Some do, but not Pearl Jam fans. Here's the set list from the 2010 Jazz fest show you will note there are only 3 songs from Ten, compare that say Kiss who plays nothing but 70's songs.
So You Want to Be A Rock And Roll Star (The Byrds), Lukin, Corduroy, In My Tree, Got Some, Given To Fly, Even Flow, Severed Hand, Nothingman, Down, Unthought Known, 1/2 Full, Daughter/(People Have The Power), Comatose, Supersonic, Do The Evolution, Why Go
encore: Tremor Christ, Just Breathe, Better Man/(Save It For Later), The Fixer, Alive, Kick Out The Jams (MC5)
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:30 am to alajones
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I'd compare it more to Jim Morrison than to John Lennon.
People will bash you for the comparison to Morrison. I really won't. Both were 27. Both were REALLY messed up men. You have to make the transition to being happy and content as an artist. They never were and if they had not died, never would have I think. Can any Doors fans see Morrison touring to this day like The Beach Boys? Wearing a silly assed hat on stage to cover his receding hairline?
The Beach Boys were great, but somehow managed to get comfortable in their fame. Drugs still almost killed Brian Wilson. Pearl Jam!! People will bash their newer stuff, and I used to until I got older. You can't be 27 and full of angst your whole life. Being rich makes this more difficult. Somehow they adjusted. Will they crank out another album as good as Ten? No.
If Cobain lived Nirvana would have broke up I am sure. Grohl apparently had a lot more to do musically. They would not have aged well together.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:32 am to Baloo
quote:Well that is your opinion. I would say their album sales would put you in the minority.
All of those bands are heavily influenced by grunge and all suck balls.
I was not trying to hjijack this thread and I really should have just thrown my "where was I" story into the thread instead of my 90's rock diatribe, but I digress.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:39 am to LSUTigerfaninHtown
RIP Kurt Cobain.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:39 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:I would never bash anything by Pearl Jam. The last two albums of theirs that I bought were Vitalogy and Yield. While Vitalogy had a few redeeming songs, Yield gave me nothing except I was out 16 bucks.
Pearl Jam!! People will bash their newer stuff
This is another problem with the music board that Chicken warned us about. Music is so personal that any slight against another person's favorite is basically a personal attack on that person.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:42 am to alajones
Actually, rock album sales are in the toilet. All album sales are down, by rock espeically has cratered. Those are the big bands, and for big bands, they don't sell squat comparitively to previous eras. And I think the reason for the dip in popularity really is the dip in overall quality. They are copies of a copy.
What's odd is that overall sales are going up if you count iTunes and all that, but it's no longer concentrated in a few bands. All of the smaller bands sell more, and the bigger bands sell less. Ifthat makes sense. There's more access to the underground than ever before, which is Cobain's great legacy.
Nirvana is the gateway drug to the punk underground. And given the explosion of indie rock, I think that shows his enduring influence. His influence isn't seen in arena rock (Pearl Jam's is, though). It's seen in bands like Spoon having viable careers. It's in labels like Merge, Matador, and Sub Pop thriving in the modern music world while the majors keep shuttering their doors.
What's odd is that overall sales are going up if you count iTunes and all that, but it's no longer concentrated in a few bands. All of the smaller bands sell more, and the bigger bands sell less. Ifthat makes sense. There's more access to the underground than ever before, which is Cobain's great legacy.
Nirvana is the gateway drug to the punk underground. And given the explosion of indie rock, I think that shows his enduring influence. His influence isn't seen in arena rock (Pearl Jam's is, though). It's seen in bands like Spoon having viable careers. It's in labels like Merge, Matador, and Sub Pop thriving in the modern music world while the majors keep shuttering their doors.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:42 am to alajones
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So are the Doobie Brothers and Lynyrd Skynyrd. It doesn't make them relevant.
those bands are not putting out new music and Lynyrd Skynard is in all honestly a gloried tribute band at this point, with a couple of orignial memembers and some of RVS's relatives, not really the same thing. Plus those a pure nostalgia acts, playing only the old hits, PJ at most plays 1/4-1/3 of their set with songs from the first 2 albums. That's not nostalgia.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 9:46 am
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