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re: 'You people' Discussion Thread | Jonah Hill, Eddie Murphy
Posted on 1/5/23 at 4:39 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/5/23 at 4:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Because the swirl in that direction is decidedly rare.
A true statement.
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So much so that when I see that IRL, I go, "Hmm. That's different." To myself, of course.
Probably a good idea. We already know it's different, you wouldn't be telling us something new.
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 4:43 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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We already know it's different, you wouldn't be telling us something new.
I get that. I'm trying to be funny and classy at the same time and just failing.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 4:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
Jonah Hill looks rough
Posted on 1/5/23 at 4:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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I get that. I'm trying to be funny and classy at the same time and just failing.
What you said was fine, I got the intent. It's weird when people do say something.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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Because the swirl in that direction is decidedly rare. So much so that when I see that IRL, I go, "Hmm. That's different." To myself, of course.
White men dating black women is extremely rare but I read an article once that said, out of all the interracial relationships, this was far and away the most successful. I think hovering at around a 92% success rate.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:09 pm to Pandy Fackler
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White men dating black women is extremely rare but I read an article once that said, out of all the interracial relationships, this was far and away the most successful. I think hovering at around a 92% success rate.
True, to a certain extent.
From a Pew Research article:
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A subsequent study which analyzed 2002 NSFG data found that “although interracial marriages overall are more vulnerable to divorce, this reflects the experience of some but not all couples.” It found that after 10 years of marriage, interracial marriages that are most vulnerable to divorce involve white females and non-White males (with the exception of white females/ Hispanic white males) relative to white/white couples. Conversely, there is little or no difference in divorce rates among white men/non-white women couples, and white men/black women couples are actually substantially less likely than white/white couples to divorce by the 10th year of marriage.8
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:58 am to Saint Alfonzo
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There's also a bit of "he's so desperate, now he's dating a black chick" in there, which is dumb.
That's the foundation of the conflict: "white society view: 'look at the white person, they must not be able to get another white person'". While that view is still held in a lot of instances, it's more and more often a holdout from pre-90's/00's generational mindsets. Along with that though, there's also the little used: "black society view: 'look at the black person, they must think they are too good for another black person'". This view has always been every bit as prevalent in its respective community, just not often brought up in movies/tv.
Comedy is a great tool for pointing out the absurdities in society. Taking the black/white relationship issue to the more honest view of "it happens from both sides" and then doubling down on that with a radical view of Islam vs. Jews descended from Holocaust survivors as a balancing tool to point out the absurdity in trying to claim the higher victim status has potential, especially considering those family leads are played by Julia and Eddie (roles they shine in).
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:28 am to skrayper
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Well, it's just weird to make a deal out of the concept.
"You're dating a black girl?" Literally anyone today would probably look at the person like that was the weird one.
"Yeaaah... and?"
(I realize the following is going to be a tinderbox. I’m just being real about society.)
I don’t care for the overrepresentation of interracial couples in commercials, just because it doesn’t represent reality. I’m fully in support of interracial marriages themselves. Or I guess you could say I couldn’t care less.
But there is a strong amount of our older populace that is still uncomfortable with it.
My wife’s and my parents are far from KKK but they also grew up during desegregation in the south. I’ve seen them have remarkable kindness in their lives to people of all races, but I’ve also seen some viewpoints that are from 1960.
My youngest has a black girl that likes him and he definitely likes her in some regard. She’s a family friend and we love that family. If they were ever “going out” even just in Jr High or HS it would be a conversation that would be difficult with both sets of parents.
Wish this movie still wasn’t an interesting comment on culture today, but it is.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:30 pm to 3nOut
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I don’t care for the overrepresentation of interracial couples in commercials, just because it doesn’t represent reality. I’m fully in support of interracial marriages themselves. Or I guess you could say I couldn’t care less.
Interracial marriages are 17% of all new marriages. That's 1 in 6 marriages. It will only continue to increase. It is reality.
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But there is a strong amount of our older populace that is still uncomfortable with it.
Being uncomfortable with it is not exclusive to older age sets.
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My youngest has a black girl that likes him and he definitely likes her in some regard. She’s a family friend and we love that family. If they were ever “going out” even just in Jr High or HS it would be a conversation that would be difficult with both sets of parents.
frick the parents, they wouldn't be in the relationship, they should have zero input into it.
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Wish this movie still wasn’t an interesting comment on culture today, but it is.
I'll wait until I see it before I decide, but so far it doesn't look like it has anything interesting to say about interracial relationships. Stereotypes, cliches, and awkward cringe are all I've seen so far in the trailers.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:45 pm to RLDSC FAN
I like the equivalency that trailer draws between “white people being cringy trying to show solidarity with blacks” and “I follow and support a leader who wants to exterminate you like rats, how awkward!”
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:46 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Interracial marriages are 17% of all new marriages. That's 1 in 6 marriages. It will only continue to increase. It is reality.
I don’t disagree that it will continue to rise, but the current representation is not in any way an accurate depiction of reality. I feel like 90% of the marriages depicted are almost exclusively black and white when of that 17% you cited, the vast majority of interracial marriages are Hispanic and Asian.
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A solid 29% of Asian American adults and 27% of Hispanic American adults said they married someone of a different racial background than their own. Within these racial groups, American-born individuals were even more likely to be in an interracial marriage. In fact, nearly half of U.S.-born Asian newlyweds (47%) said they had chosen a spouse who is not of Asian descent. The Pew Research Center’s data shows that today’s Black singles are slowly but surely becoming more open to entering interracial relationships and marriages. In 1980, just 5% of Black people reported being in an intermarriage compared with 18% of Black people today. Black men are twice as likely as Black women (24% vs. 12%) to say they have married someone of a different race. White men and women were the least likely to report an interracial marriage at 11%.
It’s arguing semantics, but I’m just saying there is specific overrepresentation to reality.
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Being uncomfortable with it is not exclusive to older age sets
Of course not but I’d wager that the oldest subset, has the most disagreement.
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frick the parents, they wouldn't be in the relationship, they should have zero input into it.
Agreed. I love my parents and in-laws but the only fight I ever got into with my in-laws was regarding this (not for our family.) my MiL mentioned that my wife’s cousin was dating and that her brother (MiL’s brother/cousin’s dad) wasn’t to happy about it. We asked why and my my MiL said “well how would you feel if your sons were dating a black girl?”
Lost my shite on them. I’m right wing AF and as much as I love them, I’ll be glad that their generation takes a lot of that to the grave with them.
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I don’t want to throw my in-laws under the table entirely.
My MiL coached a track athlete in HS who won multiple National Championships and when she was inducted into the hall of fame, the athlete had her at her table thanked her in their speech for being the only present stable relationship in her life growing up and they’re still close to this day.
My FiL ran a large shipping company and employed thousands of people over the years. One time an employee asked him why he was “hard on us blacks?” He said “because I want y’all to succeed and do better than loading a truck for the rest of your life. There are a lot of guys that work the bare minimum here and have been here for years. I think you’re better.”
One of those dudes just came back to their town and now is the head of a state department of transportation now. He found my FiL and told him that his words made him leave town, go to college, and become more. He said riding him when he was 16 and having him over for dinner with his family showed him he wanted to give a better life to his family than what he had been given.
All that… and they still don’t like interracial marriage.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/8/23 at 2:07 pm to 3nOut
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I don’t disagree that it will continue to rise, but the current representation is not in any way an accurate depiction of reality.
Since when has television ever reflected reality? You're complaining about something that television has never done.
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It’s arguing semantics, but I’m just saying there is specific overrepresentation to reality.
So what? What are the ratios of mixed relationship combinations you need to see in order to feel more comfortable? I'm so tired of the "interracial relationships don't bother me, but..." arguments. "I don't have a problem but these commercials..." "I'm not a bigot but..." You want interracial relationships to be out of sight, out of mind.
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Of course not but I’d wager that the oldest subset, has the most disagreement.
I'd wager that doesn't make much difference to the people that have to deal with the bullshite. Let's see, 6.5 out 10 people from that age bracket hate us but only 5 out of ten from this other group. In this third group, it's only 30%. Yay, progress!
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All that… and they still don’t like interracial marriage.
I get it. Most people don't like interracial relationships, despite what polls and studies might tell us. People are naturally drawn to their own tribes. It is what it is. Most people in interracial relationships just want everyone else to stfu about it and leave them alone.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/8/23 at 2:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Jonah Hill, Eddie Murphy
Not even looking at the trailer
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:10 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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You want interracial relationships to be out of sight, out of mind.
I don’t disagree with you on principle with 99% of what you said above but the quoted is patently false, and I think you and I have interacted enough to where you know I don’t feel that way.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
Do Eddie Murphy and Julia Louis Dreyfuss age?
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:43 pm to 3nOut
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I don’t disagree with you on principle with 99% of what you said above but the quoted is patently false, and I think you and I have interacted enough to where you know I don’t feel that way.
Yeah, I know, I meant it more as the proverbial you rather than you in particular, and I should have phrased it differently. The overall point stands, though. People always say they don't have a problem with the interracial thing, but there's always some condition attached.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:46 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Interracial marriages are 17% of all new marriages
If you watch commercials they are 100%...Who cares? What is annoying is they're never biological parents because their kids are Asian and Hispanic even if Mom and Dad are black and white.
Advertising has gotten so lazy. They don't even bother to tell a coherent narrative anymore.
Just insert the color of the rainbow.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 1/8/23 at 6:20 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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People always say they don't have a problem with the interracial thing, but there's always some condition attached
It’s hard to convey over a forum “I am completely ok with this on its’ face, but I definitely recognize that the over-prevalence of it is agenda driven, not organic” and not come off with as an a-hole like you have a problem with it. It’s a difficult position to portray without knowing somebody’s character or heart.
So I get it from your perspective.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:41 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:38 am to RLDSC FAN
Trailer was funny. I'll hold out until I can see reviews on it. I'm skeptical that Hollywood can do a movie like this and not inject wokeness into it constantly.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 12:39 am
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