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re: Writer Jonathan Nolan on too much "clutter" in The Dark Knight Rises
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:28 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:28 pm to magildachunks
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One scene does not save an entire act
One Act does not ruin an entire play
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Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:33 pm to JombieZombie
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The problem with Spider-man 3 wasn't the number of villains -- it was a terrible script and Raimi's dissatisfaction with Sony's intrusion in the film. It would have been easy to salvage that movie, but it's lazy and complacent.
Yeah, I don't blame Raimi for it. I think he may have made it as bad as he could get away with as a frick you. "You want all this? Well here it is!"
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:39 pm to WicKed WayZ
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One Act does not ruin an entire play
When it's the last act, it does.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:42 pm to magildachunks
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When it's the last act, it does
elaborate
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:49 pm to WicKed WayZ
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elaborate
Explaining story structure would take way too long and way too many words.
Basically, you can save a play if the first act is weak. You may not retain the audience before the second act, but you can save it.
The second act can be fairly weak. It is basically just pushing the play, or movie, to the climax.
If the climax is weak, then it is a poorly written play or movie and it will be a failure. The strongest act of a play or movie has to be the last act. That is the payoff, and that is why we invested two hours or more of our time to watch.
A poor last act can turn a great story into a terrible story.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:20 pm to magildachunks
I feel like TDK climaxed with catching the Joker and Rachel's death. Everything afterwards was awkward. I think that's why I firmly believe Batman Begins is better, because it was a good story told in a much clearer, simpler way.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:33 pm to magildachunks
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If the climax is weak, then it is a poorly written play or movie and it will be a failure. The strongest act of a play or movie has to be the last act. That is the payoff, and that is why we invested two hours or more of our time to watch.
And I think it is pretty obvious that "The Dark Knight" was not a failure. Personal opinions aside, this film was accepted by critics and fans alike. The 8 Oscar nominations it received is also a pretty good indicator that it hit the mark. "The Dark Knight" is by no means a perfect movie and no one is saying that it is. Be that as it may, however, I think you are over exaggerating the "failure" of the third act.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:41 pm to RollTide1987
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The 8 Oscar nominations it received is also a pretty good indicator that it hit the mark.
okay, just to shoot this false argument down when it comes to story and movie, here are the nominations:
Best Supporting Actor for Heath Ledger,
Art Direction,
Cinematography,
Film Editing,
Makeup (with Hellboy II: The Golden Army),
Sound Editing (with Iron Man and Wanted),
Sound Mixing (with Wanted)
Visual Effects (with Iron Man)
Nominated against Iron Man and Wanted. Sounded like a great year for those categories.
none of those categories include Direction, story, or Best movie. Basically, it was nominated for having loud noises and pretty, pretty lights.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 9:43 pm
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