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re: Would you see a movie about conquistadors?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:38 pm to biglego
Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:38 pm to biglego
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What we want is the sequel to Apocalypto.
But the sequel would have to cut out the ending of the ships arriving on shore...
And start the movie by saying...600 years later, the Spanish arrived..and then show the ships arriving.
The ending is like people fleeing Kiev to run away from Ghengis Khan only to see Panzer divisions racing at them in Poland.
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:42 pm to brmark70816
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Dumb question, but how were the Spaniards such superior fighters to the natives?
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Was their sword skills that advanced?
No. They were superior modern warfighters. The Aztecs were dicks to literally everyone. Once the Spaniards starting fighting them, most of the natives under Montezuma's yoke rallied to the Spanish flag.
They led a multi-national, multi-ethnic coalition to defeat the oppressive Aztec regime.
Then replaced it with an oppressive regime of their own.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 11/21/19 at 7:08 pm to Ace Midnight
The biggest piece of military technology/weaponry the Spaniards had was the horse, which scared the crap out of the natives. The second was smallpox being introduced shortly before the final battle of Aztecs vs. Cortez and his native allies like the Tlaxcalans. Can't recommend Conquistador by Buddy Levy enough. The harquebuses (early musket) were complete garbage. An armored man with a lance on an armored horse was not.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:37 pm to Boo Krewe
Yes
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:44 pm to rebelrouser
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the horse, which scared the crap out of the natives
Yup - this was the key.
You’d have dozens of Spaniards on horseback decimating armies of thousands. Their vastly superior numbers were rendered almost irrelevant by their fear.
Cortes’ conquest was also primarily due to his navy. The story of his building of ships and transporting them cross country in pieces, then reassembling on site, is still today regarded as one of the greatest military feats of all time.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 10:04 pm to brmark70816
1. Natives were terrified of the noise of guns
2. Spanish had horses for cavalry and wheeled carts pulled by mules, oxen, and other burden animals which made their ability to move supplies vastly superior.
3. The natives tribes were constantly at war with each other and many sided with Cortez against the Aztecs
4. The natives had no metal of any kind other than gold while the Spanish had the best steel in the world. The native swords were made out of brittle obsidian verses Spanish steel.
5. Spain’s navy allowed them to move people and goods rapidly compared to the natives who had to carry everything by hand or by llama or dog cart.
While the Aztecs and Incas had fairly advanced knowledge of astronomy, stone masonry, and irrigation, they were woefully less advanced at metallurgy and boating, never invented the wheel, and had far fewer domesticated crops and animals with virtually zero draft animals.
2. Spanish had horses for cavalry and wheeled carts pulled by mules, oxen, and other burden animals which made their ability to move supplies vastly superior.
3. The natives tribes were constantly at war with each other and many sided with Cortez against the Aztecs
4. The natives had no metal of any kind other than gold while the Spanish had the best steel in the world. The native swords were made out of brittle obsidian verses Spanish steel.
5. Spain’s navy allowed them to move people and goods rapidly compared to the natives who had to carry everything by hand or by llama or dog cart.
While the Aztecs and Incas had fairly advanced knowledge of astronomy, stone masonry, and irrigation, they were woefully less advanced at metallurgy and boating, never invented the wheel, and had far fewer domesticated crops and animals with virtually zero draft animals.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:10 am to brmark70816
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Dumb question, but how were the Spaniards such superior fighters to the natives?
Guns, Germs, and Steel. That's the name of a book that addresses the author's theory of how Europeans were able to conquer large parts of the planet.
He describes how a handful of Spaniards on horses with swords could cut down thousands of natives in one outing.
It would be like aliens coming here on magical dragons that terrified us, and they blasted us with weapons that we could hardly imagine or defend against.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:29 am to Boo Krewe
A 5 season series based on the Spanish conquest would be something. Start with the Inca before the Spanish arrive.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:29 am to Boo Krewe
I did a lot of research on De Soto. I think it would be a good film/mini series.
He lands near Tampa in search of Gold, encounters an Indian tribe that has an old Spaniard from a previous expedition. This man acts as translator. While in Florida have some of his men get eaten by gators which the Spaniards have never seen.
Marches from Florida to North Carolina mountains looking for gold. On the way back to the Gulf of Mexico gets tricked by Chief Tuskaloosa in Alabama, where an ambush occurs.
After winning the battle in Alabama Desoto's men are dejected and want to head back home so they march south to the Gulf. Desoto has come too far and they move west where they are the first to discover the Mississippi river. They cross it and get attacked by Cado. Desoto is wounded, he and his men flee back to the MS River
Desoto dies and his men sink his body in the MS river because the natives think he is a god/deity.
His men then take the river to the gulf getting attacked the whole way down.
Desoto Expedition on wiki is a good read.
He lands near Tampa in search of Gold, encounters an Indian tribe that has an old Spaniard from a previous expedition. This man acts as translator. While in Florida have some of his men get eaten by gators which the Spaniards have never seen.
Marches from Florida to North Carolina mountains looking for gold. On the way back to the Gulf of Mexico gets tricked by Chief Tuskaloosa in Alabama, where an ambush occurs.
After winning the battle in Alabama Desoto's men are dejected and want to head back home so they march south to the Gulf. Desoto has come too far and they move west where they are the first to discover the Mississippi river. They cross it and get attacked by Cado. Desoto is wounded, he and his men flee back to the MS River
Desoto dies and his men sink his body in the MS river because the natives think he is a god/deity.
His men then take the river to the gulf getting attacked the whole way down.
Desoto Expedition on wiki is a good read.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 7:38 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:07 am to rebelrouser
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Its 16 years from Cortez landing in new world until he executes Montezuma so that particular story would have to cover about 20 years.
Write it from the POV of Montezuma's children who went on to legally sue Spain for their personal losses etc. (There's a book for background already)
Posted on 11/22/19 at 1:21 pm to real turf fan
I would have some traveling to deep jungle to find el xoraso while fighting other spainish sj and natives
Posted on 11/22/19 at 1:43 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But the sequel would have to cut out the ending of the ships arriving on shore... And start the movie by saying...600 years later, the Spanish arrived..and then show the ships arriving.
Am I reading this wrong? Wouldn't 600 years after the end of Apocalypto be in the 2100's?
Posted on 11/22/19 at 2:30 pm to Boo Krewe
Joey, Do you…like movies about conquistadors?
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