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re: Worse comic book movie director: Raimi or Singer
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:47 am to alexman
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:47 am to alexman
Singer. Because he's been living off a twist ending for close to twenty years. He is one of the worst directors to ever stare into a lens. I hope that pos goes to jail. And as someone already said, he ruined Mystique.
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:47 am to Tactical1
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Snyder
No.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:49 am to thatguy1892
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Because he's been living off a twist ending for close to twenty years. He is one of the worst directors to ever stare into a lens.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:53 am to Sentrius
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He ruined Cyclops and botched Pheonix somewhat.
he could've done Scott better, but he barely touched on Phoenix except for that tease at the end of X2. Singer and his co-writer said Scott would have been expanded in their X3 (not killed), and Phoenix would've been more God-like. unfortunately, that co-writer and the wimpy actor that played Scott went and did Superman Returns.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:06 pm to alexman
XMen 2 is one of the best comic book movies made so I'm not sure why Singer is in this discussion.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:14 pm to alajones
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XMen 2 is one of the best comic book movies made so I'm not sure why Singer is in this discussion.
Is it? I don't think it holds up. I mean I enjoyed it when it came to theaters but, after a few years I looked back on it and asked, "what was I thinking?" He ruined some characters in that too.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:18 pm to thatguy1892
Regardless of whether it holds up, X2 set a precedent for ensemble-hero movies.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:20 pm to ManBearTiger
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X2 set a precedent for ensemble-hero movies.
Precisely
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:38 pm to Carson123987
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Go watch man of steel
I have
X2 is still a poor excuse for an xmen movie.
so the statement: "As good as you can make a comic book movie" is
quote:does not mean it is a good movie
X2 set a precedent for ensemble-hero movies
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:39 pm to ManBearTiger
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Regardless of whether it holds up, X2 set a precedent for ensemble-hero movies.
Yeah, I can give it that, but just because it sets an example does not mean it's good. We learn things from bad examples as well.
But that's all beside the point, frick Brian Singer.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:52 pm to alajones
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XMen 2 is one of the best comic book movies made so I'm not sure why Singer is in this discussion.
Because, apparently, comic book nerds have terrible taste in movies. Singer and Raimi are among the two best comic book directors. SpiderMan 3 was an overstuffed production, but it doesn't change the fact the fact the first two were great and he did Darkman, which was f'n awesome (ask your parents, kids)
Snyder is awful. He's got the depth of a thimble and while he clearly read and loved Watchmen, he didn't understand it at all (and to be fair, it was best possible Watchmen we were ever gonna get). 300 is almost comical in its over the top style. If I was looking for a guy to shoot a music video, Snyder would be man, but the guy doesn't understand things like plot, character, or dialogue. But he sure does like them flashy effects.
And the worst is Ang Lee, who is actually a very good director, but whose work is not likely to appeal to teenage boys. I actually like his Hulk, but studios don't want a real movie, they want something to sell popcorn.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:52 pm to jeff5891
Singer had to juggle the characterization and character development of multiple heroes and multiple villains in an hour and a half movie and I think he nailed the ones he needed to - Professor X, Magneto, and Wolverine. I give you that his characterization of Cyclops was pretty poor but non comic fanboys couldn't give a shite if he didn't do 100% justice to some of the ancillary characters (Mystique, etc.). There was just no screen time or really any need.
Vaughn had the benefit of characterizing some lesser known characters in First Class and Whedon had the benefit of skipping much of the exposition since several of them had their own movies to set up The Avengers.
Vaughn had the benefit of characterizing some lesser known characters in First Class and Whedon had the benefit of skipping much of the exposition since several of them had their own movies to set up The Avengers.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:57 pm to xenythx
Also, to Singer's credit, he pretended that anything that was in the X-Men mythos that was not written by Chris Claremont simply didn't exist. Which is pretty much the right way to go, as he's far and way the best writer to ever work on the X-Men, and he worked it for a very long time. Making X2 from the plot God Loves, Man Kills was a stroke of genius. As that graphic novel was specifically excluded from the canon.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:06 pm to Baloo
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300 is almost comical in its over the top style
Looked as close to straight out of the pages as you're going to get. So I'm going to have to humbly disagree.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:12 pm to thatguy1892
Well, I sort of detest Alan Moore, so that's one of the key problems right there.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:24 pm to alajones
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XMen 2 is one of the best comic book movies made so
It's sad because this:
A. Isn't true, and
2. Most comic book movies are turrible.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Really not getting the hate for X2. When it came out it was the best superhero movie ever made up to that point imo. And I'm a huge fan of the comics, read from the first issue up through the early 90's issues.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:35 pm to ManBearTiger
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Really not getting the hate for X2.
As a former comic reader myself, I liked (not loved) the setup in the first film - the obvious casting errors notwithstanding - but, they ruined virtually every character - they only really tried with Wolverine and Nightcrawler - and casting a 6', gay Australian Wolverine, a character that is far more "Canadian", straight and compact, probably doomed the whole thing.
The rest of the characters were thrown away in favor of what the younger audience wants. X2 continued that, and, well, to be honest, I haven't seen much of X3.
First Class looked okay - but, obviously a different film with a different mission. I watched about 1/3 of that one.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:37 pm to JombieZombie
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Iron Man 3 is misguided shite, but Spider-Man 3 is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. However, I lay more of the blame at Sony's feet, not Raimi's.
Look, I didn't care for Spiderman 3 for the most part (too many villains, retcon for Uncle Ben's death was lame, etc) but if you say that's one of the worst movies you've ever seen you clearly haven't seen very many flicks.
It's not even close to being one of the worst comic book movies. (neither is IM3 as pissed as the Mandarin twist made some on this board)
If you want to talk about worst comic movies you need to look at films like Ghost Rider 1&2, Barb Wire, The Spirit, Catwoman, Steel, Superman 3/4, Supergirl, Batman and Robin, Jonah Hex, Brenda Starr, Tank Girl, I Frankenstein, TMNT 3, The Mask 2, R.I.P.D., Sheena, Virus, Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Captain America 1/2(1979), Captain America (1990), Fantastic 4 (1994), and The Crow 3/4/5.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:50 pm to Dr RC
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If you want to talk about worst comic movies you need to look at films like Ghost Rider 1&2, Barb Wire, The Spirit, Catwoman, Steel, Superman 3/4, Supergirl, Batman and Robin, Jonah Hex, Brenda Starr, Tank Girl, I Frankenstein, TMNT 3, The Mask 2, R.I.P.D., Sheena, Virus, Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Captain America 1/2(1979), Captain America (1990), Fantastic 4 (1994), and The Crow 3/4/5.
A little depressing - I can only mount a lukewarm defense for Superman 3 (Richard Pryor) and Tank Girl - but - my heart really isn't in it - even then, they only have their moments...
Just terrible.
Spiderman 3 and IM3 are G-dawful, though.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 1:58 pm
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