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Willy Wonka (1971): Did Mike Teavee lose the contest when he ate exploding candy?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:40 am
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:40 am
Was watching Willy Wonka on HBOMax. The contract "voids" for Charlie because him and evil Grandpa Joe steal fizzy lifting drinks. Earlier in the film, Wonka takes them into the Inventing Room and Mike Teavee eats/steals exploding candy. Did he lose the contest at that point? If Mike Teavee never used the TV room, would Wonka have given the same speech to Mike Teavee that he gave to Charlie?
Haven't forgotten that Mike & his mom comment on selling the everlasting gobstopper to Slugworth
Haven't forgotten that Mike & his mom comment on selling the everlasting gobstopper to Slugworth
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 2:49 am
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Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:20 am to EuphoricSSP
I thought it was clear that everyone lost the contest once they were removed from the tour.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:28 am to Jack Ruby
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I thought it was clear that everyone lost the contest once they were removed from the tour.
Yes that would indicate that they lost. So would Wonka have just continually gone from room to room until Charlie or Mike fricked up?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:29 am to EuphoricSSP
Or the fact they would have all lost because they would have given the gobstopper to slugworth if they made it out alive.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:34 am to saintsfan92612
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Or the fact they would have all lost because they would have given the gobstopper to slugworth if they made it out alive.
So the $10,000 was their prize for winning the golden ticket when Slugworth would trade the gobstopper for the money? A drop in the bucket for a guy like Wonka
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:34 am to saintsfan92612
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Or the fact they would have all lost because they would have given the gobstopper to slugworth if they made it out alive.
This was the big thing. Even Charlie had "lost" the contest when he and Grandpa Joe made it with Wonka to the end. They still possessed the Gobstopper but then Charlie, whose heart was pure, gave the Gobstopper back to Wonka instead of trying to sell his secret to Slugworth. This after Wonka berated both of them as a final test to see if Charlie was worthy of running his factory.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 6:19 am to EuphoricSSP
All others lost the contest in the first 5 minutes of the movie when it became evident that Charlie was the main character and made overtly pitiable.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:04 am to Animal
Did Wonka purposely invite bad kids so he could have a local kid he wanted to run the factory watch as he tortured the bad kids with their vices?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:16 am to Dam Guide
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Did Wonka purposely invite bad kids so he could have a local kid he wanted to run the factory watch as he tortured the bad kids with their vices?
Never thought of it but I could buy that.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:58 am to EuphoricSSP
I don’t think Mike was explicitly banned from eating that, so no. Same as eating anything in the chocolate river room.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:09 am to EuphoricSSP
I can't believe we're having this conversation but what the hell.
As I recall, the other kids did their misdeeds on their own while being told not to do so. Charlie was sort of egged on by Grandpa to do so. Charlie would not have done so if Grandpa told him no.
Also, the other kids needed help from Wonka's team to get out of the mess they put themselves in. Charlie and Grandpa got themselves out of their predicament.
Finally, the main goal was loyalty to Wonka. The other kids were clearly sell outs to (Fake) Sluggworth while Charlie was a genuine good kid.
As I recall, the other kids did their misdeeds on their own while being told not to do so. Charlie was sort of egged on by Grandpa to do so. Charlie would not have done so if Grandpa told him no.
Also, the other kids needed help from Wonka's team to get out of the mess they put themselves in. Charlie and Grandpa got themselves out of their predicament.
Finally, the main goal was loyalty to Wonka. The other kids were clearly sell outs to (Fake) Sluggworth while Charlie was a genuine good kid.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:13 am to OMLandshark
It's funny that Veruca Salt is the only one who didn't steal anything...all the others stole stuff. (Gluup drank from the chocolate river, Violet took the gum without being asked to, Charlie and fizzy lifting drink, and Mike exploding candy).
It's also funny that that piece of shite Grandpa Joe is the only adult that stole something (FLD).
In the end though, I don't think had anything to do with the candy, and everything to do with the everlasting gobstopper. That was the true test because WW needed a kid he could trust.
Of course, it could also be that Charlie won by default since all of the other kids were either dead or severely disformed at the end of the day. That always bugged me as a kid, when WW tells them at the end of the day that all the other kids would leave the factory their normal selves. I was like "How the frick are they gonna do that?"
It's also funny that that piece of shite Grandpa Joe is the only adult that stole something (FLD).
In the end though, I don't think had anything to do with the candy, and everything to do with the everlasting gobstopper. That was the true test because WW needed a kid he could trust.
Of course, it could also be that Charlie won by default since all of the other kids were either dead or severely disformed at the end of the day. That always bugged me as a kid, when WW tells them at the end of the day that all the other kids would leave the factory their normal selves. I was like "How the frick are they gonna do that?"
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:30 am to CocomoLSU
I just dont believe that the board of directors would approve of Charlie running the company
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:30 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:39 am to EuphoricSSP
Try this interpretation:
All of those kids and their parents who were taken away actually died because Willy Wonka was a sneaky serial killer.
All of those kids and their parents who were taken away actually died because Willy Wonka was a sneaky serial killer.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:15 pm to EuphoricSSP
After reading the thread about the movie being an allegory for God/heaven I believe that Wonka represents God, the ticket represents the Gospel, the gobstopper represents Charlie's soul, and Slugworth represents the devil.
Even though Charlie sinned in secret, God sees everything. Even though to everyone else he was a perfect kid he was not perfect.
It wasn't until he repented (I'm sorry Mr wonka) and gave his soul to God that he earned his reward.
Mike Teavee was more concerned with becoming famous than in obeying God. In becoming larger than life to the world he becomes small in the eyes of the lord.
I believe the Oompa Loompas represent demons coming to take them away but i believe it's meant as more of a lesson and none of the children actually die.
Even though Charlie sinned in secret, God sees everything. Even though to everyone else he was a perfect kid he was not perfect.
It wasn't until he repented (I'm sorry Mr wonka) and gave his soul to God that he earned his reward.
Mike Teavee was more concerned with becoming famous than in obeying God. In becoming larger than life to the world he becomes small in the eyes of the lord.
I believe the Oompa Loompas represent demons coming to take them away but i believe it's meant as more of a lesson and none of the children actually die.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:44 pm to Dam Guide
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Did Wonka purposely invite bad kids so he could have a local kid he wanted to run the factory watch as he tortured the bad kids with their vices?
that would've been extremely difficult when you don't know who's going to find the tickets
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:57 pm to EuphoricSSP
The contest was a ruse - a cover. Charlie was 100% pre-selected (He had to pass the gobstopper test, of course, but none of the others were really in the running).
This can't be news to you adults who have watched this film, right?
This can't be news to you adults who have watched this film, right?
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 6/11/21 at 6:30 pm to saintsfan92612
Grandpa Joe may be up there with Rose and Jenny as the most evil characters of all time.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 6:39 pm to saintsfan92612
Well done. Very well done indeed.
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