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Why does Howard Payne (Speed) hold his phone like this?

Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:03 pm


He lost his left thumb in the accident that maimed him. This would indicate that the blast was on his left side. So why is he favoring his left ear so much that he’s using his right hand to hold the phone up to his left ear?
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:46 pm to
Judging from this scene, it’s so the camera can see his face.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:03 pm to
Hopper is doing it in every shot of Payne with the phone. Obviously, if that’s something the actor and director decided that the character was going to do, they are going to have the camera set up to film Hopper from the right side. But my question is, why have the character hold the phone weird in the first place?
Posted by OldSouth
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:53 pm to
That always bothered me too.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/14/21 at 2:36 am to
He could have hearing loss in his right ear from the same accident that cost him his left thumb.
Posted by drexyl
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 3/14/21 at 9:16 am to
quote:

This would indicate that the blast was on his left side. So why is he favoring his left ear so much that he’s using his right hand to hold the phone up to his left ear?
i mean maybe - it's possible he's deaf in his right ear but not the left.

I think he has an ear bud in his left ear when he blows the elevator early in the beginning of the movie.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:01 pm to
Something else I just noticed...

Why does Payne not suspect something might be up with the money dropped at Pershing Square? (As we find out, the bags have been rigged with dye packs that explode when he opens them. The money is probably fake too.)

He knows he's been duped by the looped video. He spots Annie out on the street. He should know that the hostages have been rescued.

If the hostages have been rescued, what reason does the city of Los Angeles have for going through with the ransom demand of $3.5 million?

Payne should be bugging out and living to fight for another day. He should not go anywhere near that money.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:33 pm to
Prob just how the writer ended it without even trying to be deep. You would assume Payne would be smart enough to know this.

But trying to overthink it, greed. He went through all this trouble just to be blinded by it in the end.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 11:34 pm
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:56 am to
Because he’s a mad man,
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:11 am to
His head was turned to the left and over his left shoulder exposing his right ear and not the left when the blast went off?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116159 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Why does Payne not suspect something might be up with the money dropped at Pershing Square? (As we find out, the bags have been rigged with dye packs that explode when he opens them. The money is probably fake too.)


That scene comes immediately after the SWAT team runs into a known bombers house and is completely suprised that the bomber put a bomb in his house

The frickin SWAT team.

So by that standard, I’m suprised Hopper didn’t just use a fake mustache to pick up the money in plain sight and walk away

ETA I misread your post so my point doesn’t really make sense but I stand by it
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 9:21 am
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

ETA I misread your post so my point doesn’t really make sense but I stand by it


Your point is valid, and I have thought about it. I think we are just led to believe that Harry’s SWAT team is overly confident that Payne will be at the residence. They probably suspect some booby traps and keep an eye out for trip wires. But they never suspect that Payne won’t be there and that he’s got the ENTIRE house rigged to explode.

Edit: Also, they’re on a tight clock. Payne blows up the bus at 11:00 am. They don’t have time to be too cautious.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116159 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:15 pm to
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But they never suspect that Payne won’t be there and that he’s got the ENTIRE house rigged to explode.


This is excusable if it wasn’t the SWAT team. They are trained specifically on these situations and if they didn’t consider the possibility that a guy who rigged 3 bombs to go off remotely, would do so at his own house (regardless of whether he would do it from another location, it’s entirely possible he would do it to avoid jail time even if he was on the premises)

Also if the technology is advanced enough to perfectly live stream the inside of a moving bus, then I would guess they would have some way of atleast figuring out if someone was actually in the house they are raiding

quote:

They don’t have time to be too cautious.


This should be routine work for them. They are essentially a bomb squad. They know how to do these things in a small window of time.

It’s just bad script writing, which is fine for such a cheesy summer blockbuster movie the original ending had Harry turning out to be a bad guy so they had to make changes on the fly when they figured out audiences hated it
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

t’s just bad script writing, which is fine for such a cheesy summer blockbuster movie the original ending had Harry


Was that ending ever filmed? That would be an interesting watch if there’s a clip up on YouTube.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116159 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:42 pm to
I don’t think so.

The plan was for that part to be played by Ed Harris, and when he dropped out they didn’t feel it was realistic that Jeff Daniels would be the bomber so they changed it.

Ton of interesting stuff in the production for this movie

Tarantino was offered the movie and turned it down- later regretted it and called it one of his favorite 20 movies of all time.

The now infamous Joss Whedon did most of the dialogue. The original script, written by Justified creator Graham Yost, was a lot more serious with less punch lines until they brought Whedon in

The entire ending on the train is what got the movie green lit. The original script ended when they saved the bus but no one would buy it because they thought a whole movie on a bus would suck. So they wrote that entire train sequence to get it made. Watching it now narratively you can clearly see where it was meant to end and then the movie just keeps going
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