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re: Why do we not get more Revolutionary War movies or miniseries?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:39 am to prplhze2000
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:39 am to prplhze2000
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Woodrow Wilson
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:24 am to Frac the world
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Why do we not get more Revolutionary War movies or miniseries?
Well, it's never been as popular as the Civil War or World War 2, even before the current Hollywood landscape.
I imagine there's a few reasons:
1. Recency. World War 2 was a bigger conflict, but also one that a lot of people could resonate with because they had lived through it, or for later generations knew someone who had - like how both of my grandfathers had fought in World War 2 and one of my grandmothers was an Army nurse during it.
2. Backdrop. The Civil War simply had more compelling storylines, and both sides of the war lived here (as opposed to just one side).
3. Available resource material. The more recent the war, the more pictures and stories they have to work with.
So even when Hollywood was making war movies hand over fist, the Revolutionary War still took a backseat to the Civil War and World War 2 - one basically created the modern United States, and the second was an all-encompassing global conflict where people were still alive who had participated in it.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:39 am to Frac the world
because we need another WW2 movie that reminds us that Fascism is bad and the Jews are eternal victims (while downplaying or completely ignoring the far worse evil in the east)
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:42 am to dallastiger55
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funny timing, Ken Burns was on Rogan yesterday promoting his new 10-hour doc on the Revolutionary War that comes out in Nov.
i bet fully 6 of the 10 hours are devoted to the plight of the black man in colonial America
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:49 am to Sam Quint
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i bet fully 6 of the 10 hours are devoted to the plight of the black man in colonial America
I bet you're wrong
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:02 am to GetCocky11
it wont be 6 hours, that was hyperbole. but it will undoubtedly be a main theme in the series, take that to the bank.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:04 am to Scruffy
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Patriotism and nationalism are frowned upon.
The last major show or movie on that period was what, Turn (about the culper spy ring) on AMC?
It’s very odd how that period is completely ignored in popular media.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:08 am to Sam Quint
Based on interviews, America as a "work in progress" and America as an idea of equality will be themes.
Yes, 100% they are going to mention the hypocrisy of the Founders, particularly with slaves. But I don't see the big deal in that. It will also look at some ordinary people and their stories instead on focusing on the big guys like Washington.
The famous Joseph Plumb Martin narrative will be a big part of the series.
Yes, 100% they are going to mention the hypocrisy of the Founders, particularly with slaves. But I don't see the big deal in that. It will also look at some ordinary people and their stories instead on focusing on the big guys like Washington.
The famous Joseph Plumb Martin narrative will be a big part of the series.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:08 am to tide06
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It’s very odd how that period is completely ignored in popular media.
it's not really that odd. Civil War era and WW2 era are popular because it's easy to tell an oppressor / oppressed narrative utilizing modern politics. South = racist and bad. Nazis = racist and bad. of course in reality there was major grey areas (no pun intended) and nuance, but in the collective American consciousness those were very black and white (no pun intended) good vs evil wars, and other wars were a little more hazy. you see plenty Vietnam stuff too for similar reasons - easy to tell a story through modern left wing narratives, even if reality wasnt that simple.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:11 am to Sam Quint
How is it not possible to do the same with the brave revolutionary colonialists overthrowing the oppressive kings red coat and hessian army?
It’s not exactly shades of grey narrative unless you want to make it so.
It’s not exactly shades of grey narrative unless you want to make it so.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:13 am to GetCocky11
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Based on interviews, America as a "work in progress" and America as an idea of equality will be themes.
Yes, 100% they are going to mention the hypocrisy of the Founders, particularly with slaves. But I don't see the big deal in that.
the selective deconstructing of American heroes does not nothing but further fracture the country, particularly when done with an agenda, but i'm sure we will disagree on that.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:14 am to tide06
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How is it not possible to do the same with the brave revolutionary colonialists overthrowing the oppressive kings red coat and hessian army?
It’s not exactly shades of grey narrative unless you want to make it so.
it is possible, of course. but there's no modern critical theory angle they can play
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:22 am to Frac the world
Same reason Superman movies don't use "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" anymore.
Same reason those horrible GI Joe movies from a few years ago had the Joe's working for the United Nations.
Globalist entertainment corporations have no interest in creating patriotic projects anymore. The financial power structures in this world are aggressively discouraging nationalism.
Same reason those horrible GI Joe movies from a few years ago had the Joe's working for the United Nations.
Globalist entertainment corporations have no interest in creating patriotic projects anymore. The financial power structures in this world are aggressively discouraging nationalism.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:23 am to Frac the world
Communist Hollywood isn't making films about freedom.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:26 am to Frac the world
I think there are probably a few reasons...
1) everyone already knows the major stories (Valley Forge, Yorktown, Concord/Lexington)
2) most of the political intrigue happened on the other side of the Atlantic
3) to do it real justice to it you would need the dialogue to fit the time period and that would be difficult for the average movie goer to follow 18th century vocabulary.
All of that said, I think the southern theater is an untapped source of stories (The Patriot not withstanding)
The defense of Charleston/Fort Moultrie
Kings Mountain
The siege of Ninety Six
Another great story would be George Rogers Clark and the capture of Vincennes.
1) everyone already knows the major stories (Valley Forge, Yorktown, Concord/Lexington)
2) most of the political intrigue happened on the other side of the Atlantic
3) to do it real justice to it you would need the dialogue to fit the time period and that would be difficult for the average movie goer to follow 18th century vocabulary.
All of that said, I think the southern theater is an untapped source of stories (The Patriot not withstanding)
The defense of Charleston/Fort Moultrie
Kings Mountain
The siege of Ninety Six
Another great story would be George Rogers Clark and the capture of Vincennes.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:26 am to Sam Quint
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the selective deconstructing of American heroes does not nothing but further fracture the country,
George Washington is an American hero.
I don't agree that he should be torn down or diminished because he used slave labor at Mt Vernon. You can teach the faults without diminishing his heroics. Unfortunately, that isn't how it is being done these days.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:37 am to Scruffy
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Patriotism and nationalism are frowned upon.
There has not been a ton of Revolutionary War content in general, not just the woke/modern era.
I'll tell you what had almost no content: the War of 1812
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:38 am to PJinAtl
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1) everyone already knows the major stories (Valley Forge, Yorktown, Concord/Lexington)
I think this is the real answer
So many of the battles are so ingrained in our culture and education, its hard to do them in a way people will pay for.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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the War of 1812
Kind of crazy that we haven't seen a Ft McHenry/Star Spangled Banner movie.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:40 am to The Pirate King
quote:You folks are saying this like we had some previous decade packed with American Revolution war pics. Even during the height of WWII, post-war 50's, and Reagan's America (some very patriotic decades) you had to learn about the Revolutionary War in the classroom. We didn't have John Wayne or Tom Hanks throwing 1770's history at us every year or so.
Why do we not get more Revolutionary War movies or miniseries?quote:
Honest answer? Patriotism and nationalism are now viewed as bad things, especially by most of Hollywood.
Growing up, we had Daniel Boone on NBC. That's about the only us vs the British thing that I remember being exposed to.
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