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Who wins: Randall “The Walkin Dude” Flagg v. Pennywise

Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:55 pm
I think there’s no question that Pennywise soundly defeats Flagg.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:07 pm to
Pennywise because Flagg has a weakness against spider-like beings.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:17 pm to
I prefer The Stand over It but Flagg did seem to have some blind spots so probably Pennywise.

I know Flagg is also in some of King's Dark Tower books which I have not read so I don't know how if he had some abilities in those that would change that
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:04 pm to
Aren't they both basically demonic entities?
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:13 pm to
He’s the primary antagonist in the dark tower. He’s a powerful dude, but he’s still a dude with the backing of some demonic entity. Whereas Pennywise is a demonic entity. So Pennywise probably wins pretty easily
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:14 pm to
I gotta go with Pennywise based on pure ferocity.

He's a shape shifter, has what I would call "high magic" capabilities (think a Dungeons and Dragons character) where as Flagg is more of a humanoid embodiment of the devil, but his magic is more "low magic" (think Gandalf in the books).

In the books Pennywise is a extradimensional being of pure evil that feeds on fear. That concept is terrifying.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 5:33 pm to
They all have the shining

So does carrie white and christine

Sometimes they come back and shine
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:28 am to
Would rather see Pennywise vs these guys

Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:08 am to
A bunch of kids were able to beat Pennywise in a sewer by running a train on the girl in the group. It took a nuke in downtown Las Vegas and the sacrifice of 3 of the good guys to settle Flagg.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:52 am to
quote:

A bunch of kids were able to beat Pennywise in a sewer by running a train on the girl in the group. It took a nuke in downtown Las Vegas and the sacrifice of 3 of the good guys to settle Flagg.


Good rebuttal, it exposes a point many seemed to miss and that's weaknesses vs strengths.

Flagg:
--Strengths: Magic/Sorcery (can cast spells to manipulate reality and shapeshift to a small degree and teleport), psychic influence (manipulating others and then controlling them through charisma and/or fear), high durability (possible immortality) and the ability to identify and exploit psychologcal vulnerabilities.

--Weaknesses: Arrogance (underestimating his enemies), limited physical combat ability (relies on his powers more than brute strength) and vulnerability to divine powers (such as an inability to control Mother Abagail's followers, the glowing "Hand of God" which detonates the warhead in Las Vegas or his failed attempt to kill Roland as Roland's purpose is divinely ordained).

Pennywise:
--Strengths: Shapeshifting (can take virtually any form, often embodying its victims' worst fears), psychic dominance (induces hallucinations in order to create the fear upon which it feeds), strong reality manipulation (being able to alter portions of Derry), physical strength and near-immortality.

--Weaknesses: Dependent on the fear of others for strength (when victims overcome the fear, it is significantly weakened) which seems to have a cumulative component as group fearlessness can be even more harmful to it and being a cosmic entity it seems to be bound by certain cosmic rules.



The fight:

-Putting this fight in a neutral area (not Vegas, not Derry, etc) with no prep time, the fight goes to Pennywise as he seems to be a higher order being.

Pennywise seems to be at least on the order of the Crimson King (to whom Randall Flagg is subservient). Along with that, his greater ability at reality manipulation, his far greater physical strength and his probably stronger psychic defenses should be more than a match for Flagg in most settings. For Flagg, the keys to possibly winning would be fearlessness (to not feed Pennywise) and using his teleportation and magic to keep Pennywise off-balance until he could find an opening. That would be only if his arrogance wouldn't cloud his judgement.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37948 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:09 pm to

Winner:

Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9638 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:29 pm to
Flagg is the Devil on Earth. Pennywise is just an alien. Hell, Pennywise probably ends up as Flagg’s pet.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
14296 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:33 pm to
True. Flagg was reborn halfway around the world a few hours after the nuke went off. It was destroyed totally afaik.
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