re: Which Scene Is Most Cringeworthy?

then it should be easy to respond with something more substantial than "Nu-uh".

As much as you want people to stop talking about how bad a movie tlj was it will never happen. People will talk about how bad a movie it was forever.

You somehow think what is clearly a milk from space sea cow was actually supposed to be a sexual reference to Luke drinking space jizz and that Rey was supposed to think he was blowing the damn thing. There is no point in discussing something so mind numbingly stupid.

Sometimes a duck is just a duck dude.

And you think it would have been ok if they had done that same scene and substituted a prominent female character instead? You don't think there would have been disgust or outrage if that were Leia the jedi doing the milking?

If you are interested there are a lot of books on film and metaphor. In a movie every screen image should ideally have a purpose and mean something to the audience. A movie with random actions or purposeless objects is a very poorly made movie.

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Again, everything doesn't always have to have some secondary meaning behind it. Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

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Certainly. But when you build something like looks like that then it ends up being more like sometimes a dick is just a dick.

At least you had the honesty to admit it wouldn't have been ok if Leia were doing the same.

Well I don't think there would be much more than there is with Luke doing it. How ever much or little that is doesn't matter though. People like to complain about shite.

What? Again, I think it would be the same amount as there is with Luke right now. I'm not sure how I could say this any more clearly.

People are over it and people have lives. And whenever tlj is mentioned, people will talk about how bad it is as a movie. This will happen now and it will happen decades into the future.

Just accept it.

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And whenever tlj is mentioned, people will talk about how bad it is as a movie. This will happen now and it will happen decades into the future.

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I thought TLJ was fine, and pretty entertaining. I haven't taken the time to delve into the super long discussion thread, but what is warranting all of the hatred from this board about it?

Read the LJ thread or watch one of the dozens of reviews on youtube. Or read some of the thousands of reviews on rotten tomatoes etc. Or just listen to the MH quotes on how he disagreed with every character choice RE how Luke behaved.

It destroys the major plotlines from TFA. It has a protagonist without adequate growth or change. It has none of the central morality of the OT. The theme from that was in major part an underlying belief in improving character and ability through effort and mentorship. It has numerous just weird things that contradict prior star wars ranging from the characters to the force to the whole utility of warps versus death stars to the question of why luke would leave a map to be found when RJ believes he does not want to be found.

It feels rushed although it is too long. It has seemingly useless plot lines to involve weird political mentions (animal release scene for example). It robs Luke of meaningful exposition to show his reaction to losing Han and asks the viewer to believe the boy who wouldn't give up on Vader would give up on the son of his twin sister and best friend.

It destroys Snope as the antagonist of interest when he would have an interesting and obvious foil for Rey in the last movie. It doesn't understand or like any major character from the OT other than perhaps Leia - not Luke, not Yoda, not even Ackbar. The whole thing is a giant frick you to the people who loved the OT.

In essence, although TLJ is a beautiful film with great sound and music it has little value as a standalone component of a new trilogy and makes the earlier star wars films worse.