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What was the first modern-style TV drama?
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:18 am
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:18 am
I would submit that modern-style TV dramas are defined by two main characteristics:
1. Although they are broken up into episodes, they are not episodic in nature. They have an overarching plot which is materially advanced in almost every episode, so you can't generally pick them up mid-series or skip an episode. They are intended to be watched from first episode to last, like an extremely long movie. These are shows designed for the era of DVR and streaming media.
2. They have acting and effects comparable to movies. If you walk into a room where one of these shows is playing on TV, you cannot generally tell at a glance that it is a TV series as compared to a movie. They also often have actors who have appeared in movies.
(I thought about adding a third characteristic here, which is that they generally deal with more adult themes and are more cavalier with language and sexuality than TV shows of previous eras, but I decided not to. I don't want to restrict possible answers based on that.)
So what would you say is the first truly modern TV series? I am no TV historian but I will say the first show I can remember watching and thinking, "This is something completely different," is the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica. That show had effects far beyond anything I'd seen on a sci-fi TV show to that point, had a deep and engaging plot that was advanced in every episode, and had movie-level acting and direction. It did, in fact, feel like watching a movie that was thirty hours long (or however long the entire show would be watched back-to-back).
Anything further back than that that you think fits the bill?
1. Although they are broken up into episodes, they are not episodic in nature. They have an overarching plot which is materially advanced in almost every episode, so you can't generally pick them up mid-series or skip an episode. They are intended to be watched from first episode to last, like an extremely long movie. These are shows designed for the era of DVR and streaming media.
2. They have acting and effects comparable to movies. If you walk into a room where one of these shows is playing on TV, you cannot generally tell at a glance that it is a TV series as compared to a movie. They also often have actors who have appeared in movies.
(I thought about adding a third characteristic here, which is that they generally deal with more adult themes and are more cavalier with language and sexuality than TV shows of previous eras, but I decided not to. I don't want to restrict possible answers based on that.)
So what would you say is the first truly modern TV series? I am no TV historian but I will say the first show I can remember watching and thinking, "This is something completely different," is the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica. That show had effects far beyond anything I'd seen on a sci-fi TV show to that point, had a deep and engaging plot that was advanced in every episode, and had movie-level acting and direction. It did, in fact, feel like watching a movie that was thirty hours long (or however long the entire show would be watched back-to-back).
Anything further back than that that you think fits the bill?
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:22 am to TheTideMustRoll
Not the first, but I have argued that Lost is largely responsible for a lot of the programming we see today (in a good way).
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:30 am to Fun Bunch
Lost is a good answer. I hadn't thought about that one.
To BabyTac: soap operas don't even come close to meeting requirement #2.
To BabyTac: soap operas don't even come close to meeting requirement #2.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:32 am to TheTideMustRoll
You had some highly talented writers producing some of the best TV dramas in history during the 50s.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:48 am to TheTideMustRoll
Some of y’all are not going back far enough. The Mary Tyler Moore company invented the modern TV drama in 1981 and 1982 with Hill Street Blues and St. Elsewhere. They actually had handheld camera shots in the pilot episodes. And there were multiple episode story arcs.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:59 am to UndercoverBryologist
Interesting. I've not seen either of those. Do they meet requirement #2?
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:01 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Interesting. I've not seen either of those. Do they meet requirement #2?
They don’t have a whole lot of actors that would show up in movies. (St. Elsewhere did have Denzel Washington.) But the acting is gritty as frick.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:04 am to TheTideMustRoll
Certainly shows had serial "elements" without being truly threaded and fully serial - Hill Street Blues, I often offer as sort of the prototype for the modern drama (exemplified in the HBO Golden Era shows - The Wire and The Sopranos which sort of broke the dam.)
But, what you're looking for is Babylon 5, IMHO. Its Star Trek competitor, DS9, did a lot for serialization as well, but B5 was intended to be a filmed novel, beginning to end.
But, what you're looking for is Babylon 5, IMHO. Its Star Trek competitor, DS9, did a lot for serialization as well, but B5 was intended to be a filmed novel, beginning to end.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:06 am to TheTideMustRoll
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What was the first modern-style TV drama?
In terms of "modern" type TV dramas, although there are others that may be better examples, the first one that comes to my mind is NYPD Blue (started in September 1993). It definitely changed the way those types of shows were seen I think, and led to staples like Law & Order, SVU, etc. ER was another one (started in September 1994).
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 8:08 am
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:10 am to CocomoLSU
Would Miami Vice qualify?
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:04 am to TheTideMustRoll
The Fugitive would qualify and may not even be the first.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:05 am to MorbidTheClown
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roots?
Was definitely a mini-series.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:15 am to DaleGribble
quote:The 60's were packed with dramas with ongoing plots. The Prisoner, The Invaders...
The Fugitive would qualify and may not even be the first.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:26 am to TheTideMustRoll
The Sopranos but even that is a little episodic in the first season.
You could make an argument for The West Wing too
You could make an argument for The West Wing too
Posted on 3/7/22 at 10:33 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Some of y’all are not going back far enough. The Mary Tyler Moore company invented the modern TV drama in 1981 and 1982 with Hill Street Blues and St. Elsewhere.
First thing I thought of was Hill Street Blues.
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