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What did James Dean ever do that Montgomery Clift hadn't done before him?

Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:46 am
Posted by LSUTigerSport
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:46 am
Outside of killing himself in a sports car. Monty killed himself with substance abuse.

But seriously as an actor. Seems Dean's style was modeled after Clift's. Clift was a much better actor IMO. The Duke himself said he learned a lot from Clift who was younger than him in "Red River."

Might be a little old for most of you (is for me too and I'm 53) but I like to go back and watch the old classics.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 1:06 am to
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What did James Dean ever do that Montgomery Clift hadn't done before him?


Penis


ETA:


Wait, that's backwards.

Cliff was the known bisexual. Dean only got raped by priests as a child.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 11:02 am
Posted by PowerTool
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 1:39 am to
The Clash never wrote a song about James Dean either.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:07 am to
Humphrey Bogart: "Dean died at just the right time. He left behind a legend. If he had lived, he'd never have been able to live up to the hype."
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:48 pm to
What are some older movie recommendations please?
Posted by blueridgeTiger
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:08 pm to
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What are some older movie recommendations please?


For Montgomery Cliff:
A Place in the Sun, co-staring Elizabeth Taylor
Wild River, co-staring Lee Remick, directed by Elia Kazan

For James Dean:
Rebel Without a Cause, co-staring Natalie Wood
Giant, co-staring Elizabeth Taylor
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 4:23 pm to
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The Clash never wrote a song about James Dean either.
But Dean got one from the Eagles, and a shout out in Morrissey's "Suedehead" video, so there's that.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 4:47 pm to
James Dean was rumored to have spent time on the casting couch along with Robert Wagner - hell, in an unauthorized bio of Dean he had an affair with the son of some Hollywood producer.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 4:49 pm to
Out of all of those, Giant is the only one that interested me.

I'm not a big fan of either actor.

At least Sal Mineo was in Escape from the Planet of the Apes.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:10 pm to
Giant is a great film.

Taylor was 24 at the time of playing a middle-aged mother, only 4 years older IRL than her son Dennis Hopper and younger than James Dean.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:18 pm to
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Giant is a great film.

Taylor was 24 at the time of playing a middle-aged mother, only 4 years older IRL than her son Dennis Hopper and younger than James Dean.


The makeup they used to age them doesn't hold up but it's a great story with interesting performances.
Posted by chinese58
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:26 pm to
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For Montgomery Cliff:


I'd add From Here to Eternity (1953) to see that cast that included Cilff with Burt Lancaster, Deborah Kerr, Donna Reed, Frank Sinatra, Ernest Borgnine, Jack Warden and my dad! He was going through basic training at Schofield Barracks and is in one of the units marching in the opening of the movie.
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:11 pm to
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Giant is a great film
I find it very boring when Dean is off screen
quote:

Taylor was 24 at the time of playing a middle-aged mother, only 4 years older IRL than her son Dennis Hopper and younger than James Dean
Her "daughter" Carroll Baker was a year older than her (same age as Dean)
Posted by hsfolk
Member since Sep 2009
19268 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:18 pm to
doesn't matter, none were as great as Steve McQueen
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:27 pm to
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Seems Dean's style was modeled after Clift's. Clift was a much better actor IMO.
Personally I find Dean more interesting on screen. Clift is rather limited once he has to go past his wide-eyed helpless and sensitive bit. Dean could do that as well as other stuff -- Dennis Hopper described him as combining the "frick You" of Brando with the "Help Me" of Clift.

Dean wasn't perfect -- some of his scenes in Rebel Without A Cause are awkward, but remember he was only 24 when he died. He showed a lot of potential, and had actually done some accomplished work.

Dean's best scene is probably the birthday party in LINK ]East of Eden. Note that the script called for Dean to simply give the money to his father and walk out. Everything else -- the crying, the hugging, the stiffly pained walk out -- was improvised by Dean.

Dean also improvised in Giant. For example in this scene he was just supposed to walk along his new property, but he was pissed off with director George Stevens about something (they didn't get along) so he walked very stiffly, making a big deal out of hitting his marks. It adds a fascinating visual element to the scene.

LINK

And at the end, Dean decided to climb the windmill, which was not in the script. But it was so good Stevens left it in, and later added a CU of Dean at the top to match it.
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