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Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:21 pm to R2Z2
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At no period in human history has there not been slavery.
Dear god...
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:22 pm to TheOcean
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Also, what's your overall point? Seems like a random thing to mention unless you're trying to downplay how horrendous slavery was.
It's pointing out that white merchants landing in West Africa to capture slaves (like in Roots) was not the practice of the time.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
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It's pointing out that white merchants landing in West Africa to capture slaves (like in Roots) was not the practice of the time.
Right, better to pay the natives to do it for them. I guess you could say it was better for the natives? (They didn't have to be slaves)
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:26 pm to Tiger1242
It wasn't as simple as paying a native. It was a huge industry; a slave hub.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:08 pm to Patrick O Rly
This thread is starting to smell like the poli board.
In an effort to bring it back to somewhat movie board relevance, I'll say I saw Root when it first came out and never got the idea they were presenting it as some kind of documentary. Seems to me that pretty much every historical fiction is hollywooded up to some extent. I mentioned Braveheart earlier but what about Rob Roy? Tombstone?Heck even Band of Brothers I think took some liberties. Not even to mention things like the 10 commandments.
In an effort to bring it back to somewhat movie board relevance, I'll say I saw Root when it first came out and never got the idea they were presenting it as some kind of documentary. Seems to me that pretty much every historical fiction is hollywooded up to some extent. I mentioned Braveheart earlier but what about Rob Roy? Tombstone?Heck even Band of Brothers I think took some liberties. Not even to mention things like the 10 commandments.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:23 pm to OWLFAN86
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its a lie like the holocaust
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:31 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Any attempt to justify or lessen the atrocities committed against oppressed people is ignorant and simple minded.
No, what is ignorant and simple minded is calling anyone who challenges historical portrayals that don't match the truth ignorant and simple minded.
Just because slavery was a horrible institution doesn't mean that it can be sensationalized to any degree and then not be subject to scrutiny without someone being accused of "justifying" it.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:44 pm to R2Z2
quote:I don't know the answer. Tell me.
Where would blacks be of they'd never been brought to the US? What would our country look like? Those are the questions people know the answer to but won't say.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:42 pm to ChewyDante
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No, what is ignorant and simple minded is calling anyone who challenges historical portrayals that don't match the truth ignorant and simple minded.
Just because slavery was a horrible institution doesn't mean that it can be sensationalized to any degree and then not be subject to scrutiny without someone being accused of "justifying" it.
Someone should start a thread bashing "Song Of The South" and see how that one goes.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:18 am to Tiger1242
quote:Considering that the life expectancy for a Euro in W. Africa was about a month. . .they weren't that stupid.quote:
It's pointing out that white merchants landing in West Africa to capture slaves (like in Roots) was not the practice of the time.
Right, better to pay the natives to do it for them. I guess you could say it was better for the natives? (They didn't have to be slaves)
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:31 am to udtiger
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Read Time on the Cross.
Most historians consider this work to be outdated, mainly due to its use of cliometrics (basically using science to measure history), as in measuring the happiness of a slave based on his output and/or rations.
The Peculiar Institution by Kenneth Stamp is a far superior work, as it debunks many of the racist myths about American slavery and blacks in general, like that blacks broke their tools because they were too stupid to operate them (they were in fact engaging in a form of passive resistance).
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:59 am to noonan
I got your reference noonan. 
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:38 am to Jayre
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Read Time on the Cross.
Most historians consider this work to be outdated, mainly due to its use of cliometrics (basically using science to measure history), as in measuring the happiness of a slave based on his output and/or rations.
It is embarrassing to see people still point to that book given how completely it seems to have been discredited within a couple years of its release more than 30 years ago:
LINK
And it is a weird regional hobby of some white people in the South to latch onto things like "Time on the Cross" with great interest
Posted on 2/18/13 at 3:18 am to R2Z2
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Blacks in the south were treated better by their masters than whites in the north working in early factories. If they died they were replaceable. Slaves represented a considerable investment.
THIS, THIS, THIS, and more THIS. I'll add in house laborers and shipping workers.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 7:17 am to Jayre
quote:I would argue that both situations occurred. Non-slaves still break their tools out of stupidity today.
like that blacks broke their tools because they were too stupid to operate them (they were in fact engaging in a form of passive resistance).
But I suppose those are racist myths that actually happen everyday.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 7:41 am to CtotheVrzrbck
There were a lot of slaves that were treated like part of the family. But those stories don't sell newspapers or books. Not saying there weren't atrocities committed, but it'd be ok to sprinkle in a few good stories
Posted on 2/18/13 at 7:53 am to R2Z2
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Where would blacks be of they'd never been brought to the US? What would our country look like? Those are the questions people know the answer to but won't say.
I don't think we know know, but I don't see why it's so bad to say.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 8:43 am to snow517
making you miss the good ole days?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 8:47 am to Jayre
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The Peculiar Institution by Kenneth Stamp
I've read it. It is a good book.
There's also The Political Economy of Slavery by Eugene Genovese.
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