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re: Was Passion of the Christ a controversial film?
Posted on 12/23/17 at 6:00 pm to biglego
Posted on 12/23/17 at 6:00 pm to biglego
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It really depends on which gospel you follow Bc the accounts aren’t exactly the same. Also, there’s zero historical evidence that Rome ever gave a mob the choice of freeing a prisoner. Also, In the end Jesus was executed by the Romans for sedition, he was not killed by Jews for heresy.
This.
If I remember right, the different synoptic Gospels were written for different audiences. There were different sects even in early Christianity. I think at least one Gospel was addressed primarily to the Jewish Christians and at least one other was addressed to Christian converts from other religions.
I think the many cycles of Jewish resistance to Rome and Roman reprisals also played a part in how the different Gospels were structured and what they chose to emphasize. Although I think maybe the Gospels were written before the BIG revolt, war and destruction of Jerusalem.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 7:01 pm to StringedInstruments
Well the Jews did crucify Christ.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 7:13 pm to Brazos
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Well the Jews did crucify Christ.
I thought it was the Romans - physically and technically at the very least.
Crucifixion was a big time Roman tactic to keep down dissent and punish those who opposed them in any way. There is a pretty well known story about Cesar when he was younger - he was kidnapped and held on an island by a large group of pirates and their "families". He charmed them to the extent that he was allowed to roam the place freely. He would tell them with a smile that one day when he got out he would crucify them all. They laughed, thinking he was joking. When he was freed (by being ransomed, I think), he came back, captured them and crucified the lot of them. Though for those who had been especially kind to him I think he did at least have their legs broken so the death would be quicker.
I'm not sure that the Jews used crucifixion at all.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 7:49 pm to Methuselah
The romans carried out the actual act of crucifying Christ by it was only done because the Jewish priests felt threatened by Jesus. They demanded him to be crucified. All of this was portrayed in the movie. Let's not forget that Jesus himself was a Jew as well.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:03 pm to Brazos
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demanded him to be crucified.
little evidence of this (other than a verse from a book that also claims he had to be killed to fulfill the story); christians have spouted "the jews did it" since christianity's inception; "the jews" saw jesus as just another nut from the desert claiming to be the messiah ...
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All of this was portrayed in the movie.
and we know how accurate movies are
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:06 pm to Pectus
controversy was primarily b/c it was so violent
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:45 pm to tiderider
Yeah and don't forget that most historians agree that Jesus was crucified pretty much how the movie portrayed it. For being a "nut" he sure has made one of hell of an impact on the world with some serious staying power.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:26 pm to Methuselah
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If I remember right, the different synoptic Gospels were written for different audiences.
Matthew - Written for the Jews
Mark - Written for the Romans
Luke - Written for the Gentiles
John - Written for the whole Church
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:32 pm to tiderider
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little evidence of this (other than a verse from a book that also claims he had to be killed to fulfill the story); christians have spouted "the jews did it" since christianity's inception; "the jews" saw jesus as just another nut from the desert claiming to be the messiah ...
No serious scholar agrees with your conclusions. If Jesus had been executed by the Romans for being a legitimate threat to Rome, they wouldn't have allowed his closest followers (the Apostles) to a) continue living and b) form their own religion based on Jesus's teachings in the very city where he was condemned and crucified. It is much more probable that the Jews demanded the Romans kill Jesus, and threatened to take advantage of Pilate's shaky relationship with Rome if he refused to do so.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:32 pm to tiderider
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Well, there was the whole thing about a white dude playing a dimunitive, middle-eastern Semite.
i don't remember much being said about that ...
That was a complaint with Exodus, I don’t remember it with Passion
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:38 pm to biglego
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That was a complaint with Exodus, I don’t remember it with Passion
The cultural appropriation movement was still about 8-10 years away when The Passion of the Christ was released.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 11:29 pm to RollTide1987
It’s amazing how much has changed since 2004.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:08 am to Paul Allen
It was almost 14 years ago and quite a bit has changed since then.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:42 am to RollTide1987
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quote:
little evidence of this (other than a verse from a book that also claims he had to be killed to fulfill the story); christians have spouted "the jews did it" since christianity's inception; "the jews" saw jesus as just another nut from the desert claiming to be the messiah ...
No serious scholar agrees with your conclusions. If Jesus had been executed by the Romans for being a legitimate threat to Rome, they wouldn't have allowed his closest followers (the Apostles) to a) continue living and b) form their own religion based on Jesus's teachings in the very city where he was condemned and crucified. It is much more probable that the Jews demanded the Romans kill Jesus, and threatened to take advantage of Pilate's shaky relationship with Rome if he refused to do so.
i'll trust what i've read over an internet claim with no support/links ...
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:36 am to tiderider
Nobody mentioned the oddly androgynous demon/devil hanging around the scene in the movie. That character upset quite a few folks. Probably would get condemnation by today’s trannies and their supporters.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:37 am to StringedInstruments
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The allegations were that Mel Gibson's interpretation placed heavy blame on Jews
This critique always made me laugh my arse off when the movie came out.
That would be like making a WWII movie and there's outrage that the movie portrays the Germans as the bad guys.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:52 am to tiderider
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i'll trust what i've read over an internet claim with no support/links ...
The fact that you are so willing to dismiss the New Testament as a legitimate historical document tells me everything I need to know about your intellectual prowess, or lack thereof.
No serious biblical scholar, including the famed border line atheist Bart Ehrman, dismisses the writings of the Gospels as easily as you do. It's very likely that the Jewish elders, threatened by Jesus's message, handed him over to the Romans using the charge of sedition as the main reason he should be executed. The Romans really put a lot of emphasis on him being the "King of the Jews" in the Gospel narrative.
But we know from the Gospel narrative that Christ never claimed to be a king, at least not publicly. Which means this information came to the Romans by someone in his inner circle (Judas, anyone?). Seeing as it is unlikely that Judas would have gone directly to the Roman authority, he probably went to the Sanhedrin with his claims first.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:02 am to tiderider
quote:Yeah. That only happens when white snowflakes see nonwhites in Star Wars.
i don't remember much being said about that ...
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:40 am to Marciano1
It was the fault of SOME Jews, not all Jews. The fault lies with the Pharisees. The way the Roman occupation worked allowed the Pharisees to remain in control of the Sanhedrin (religious ruling council) and allowed Jews to continue to practice their religion at the temple, so long as the Pharisees helped to maintain the peace between locals and Romans.
The region was an absolute powder keg, and the Pharisees saw Jesus as a lit match. They were absolutely terrified that his rhetoric about a new Kingdom and the size of his following would get the attention of the Roman rulers, and cause them to dissolve the Sanhedrin, end religious freedom, for the Jews, demolish the Temple, and impose direct military rule. Like most people, they did not understand his teachings about a kingdom in heaven not a kingdom through military conquest.
The Pharisees killed Jesus to save Judaism. They screened the crowd entering the square to stack the mob against Jesus. Barabus was a freedom fighter and was very popular. Jesus was seen by many allies of the Sanhedrin as a rabble-rouser and heratic. With the square stacked with Pharisee fans, Jesus’s goose was cooked.
TBH, the Pharisees worst fears did eventually come true when another “massiah” appeared and led the Great Jewish Revolt decades later. The Roman response ended the Temple and resulted in the diaspora from the Holy Land, the ramifications of which are still felt today.
The region was an absolute powder keg, and the Pharisees saw Jesus as a lit match. They were absolutely terrified that his rhetoric about a new Kingdom and the size of his following would get the attention of the Roman rulers, and cause them to dissolve the Sanhedrin, end religious freedom, for the Jews, demolish the Temple, and impose direct military rule. Like most people, they did not understand his teachings about a kingdom in heaven not a kingdom through military conquest.
The Pharisees killed Jesus to save Judaism. They screened the crowd entering the square to stack the mob against Jesus. Barabus was a freedom fighter and was very popular. Jesus was seen by many allies of the Sanhedrin as a rabble-rouser and heratic. With the square stacked with Pharisee fans, Jesus’s goose was cooked.
TBH, the Pharisees worst fears did eventually come true when another “massiah” appeared and led the Great Jewish Revolt decades later. The Roman response ended the Temple and resulted in the diaspora from the Holy Land, the ramifications of which are still felt today.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 11:44 am
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