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re: Was Full Metal Jacket a great movie or just a great first half of a movie?

Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:09 pm to
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go to Vietnam and everything is all over the place chaos.


Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 1:26 am to
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I mean, Apocalypse Now makes a hell of an argument.


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What about Hamburger Hill or Platoon?

We Were Soldiers was better than all of them. Not as many entertaining lines as the others, but just better all around from a true historical perspective.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 1:53 am to
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It’s almost like two totally different movies, before the war and during the war.

That’s the point
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:24 am to
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First half is so much about R. Lee Ermey's performance as the Drill Sergeant in Boot Camp, and he dominated most of the scenes.

With the 2nd half dealing with their deployment in Nam and the shite show they run into. For me, both halves are very intense.


This sums up my feelings exactly! Love this movie from start to finish, but I'm prejudice.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:58 am to
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Animal Mother alone makes the second half awesome.



Animal Mother is the "success" (as would be defined by the USMC) version of Pyle. Baldwin was also the actor that Stanley just pounded on to get right. It's a great compare/contrast if you view it in that light (and I think it was intentional, as Stanley did everything deliberately).
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:08 am to
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Animal Mother is the "success" (as would be defined by the USMC)
He had the right make up of a successful NFL DL, LB or safety from the 60's or 70's too. I'm talking about the guys that seemed to enjoy hurting other people. If they weren't playing football, there were a few of those guys might have ended up in jail.



Guys from the 90's I felt that way about were Charles Haley and Greg Lloyd.



If you watched what they did to other human beings, you might be inclined to wonder what else they could do, if they weren't trying to kill other men in the NFL.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:13 am to
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It’s almost like two totally different movies, before the war and during the war.


I agree but I always thought that was sort of on purpose.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:34 am to
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First half is so much about R. Lee Ermey's performance as the Drill Sergeant in Boot Camp, and he dominated most of the scenes.

I love this excerpt from a Rolling Stone interview with Stanley Kubrick:
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Interviewer: He had actually been a marine drill instructor?

Parris Island.

Interviewer: How much of his part comes out of that experience?

I'd say fifty percent of Lee's dialogue, specifically the insult stuff, came from Lee. You see, in the course of hiring the marine recruits, we interviewed hundreds of guys. We lined them all up and did an improvisation of the first meeting with the drill instructor. They didn't know what he was going to say, and we could see how they reacted. Lee came up with, I don't know, 150 pages of insults. Off the wall stuff: "I don't like the name Lawrence. Lawrence is for **** and sailors."

Aside from the insults, though, virtually every serious thing he says is basically true. When he says, "A rifle is only a tool, it's a hard heart that kills," you know it's true. Unless you're living in a world that doesn't need fighting men, you can't fault him. Except maybe for a certain lack of subtlety in his behavior. And I don't think the United States Marine Corps is in the market for subtle drill instructors.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:49 am to
Was it a documentary or an article that discussed the guy who was cast as the drill instructor and was pushed out by Ermy inserting himself into the role? The actor ended up playing the helicopter gunner.
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