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re: Was Anakin the most powerful Star Wars character?
Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:26 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:26 pm to RollTide1987
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He suffered from the same personality flaws as Anakin and yet, unlike his father, he was able to conquer them when it mattered most.
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Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:38 pm to DMagic
Didn't Darth Vader want to really kill Sidious and take over? Didn't Vader secretly have an apprentice of his own?
This post was edited on 5/26/12 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:47 pm to Muahahaha
In Jedi Luke convinced Vader to turn on the Emperor, who to that point had made Vader who he was. Luke had no training till he was a teenager. With proper training throughout his life, Luke would have been a beast.
Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:51 pm to Muahahaha
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Didn't Darth Vader want to really kill Sidious and take over?
That is the way of the Sith. Then eventually Vader's apprentice would've attempted to kill him.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 12:05 am to jmarto1
Great, now I have to go watch them.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 12:38 am to jmarto1
Does leia have the same midi count as luke, since they are twins? Would she have been a badass jedi if she devoted herself to it?
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 12:42 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 12:49 am to Mikes My Tiger
The Saga Begins
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 12:50 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 1:38 am to Stingray
Alright, I'm back. Sorry for responding so late.
1. He could not do it by himself, that is obvious. Knowing that he can foresee everything, I believe he must know that the most powerful Jedi are probably going to survive Order 66 (or at least will plan for it). He needs Anakin to help combat them, so they just don't team up on him.
2. He knows the prophecy just like the Jedi do. Anakin is the chosen one. Regardless of what side he brought balance to, it required him for one side to win. If Palpatine didn't already know that Anakin was absolutely needed to defeat the Jedi, he wouldn't have put himself in that position.
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can't deny it was a huge gamble, but it was a gamble he had to make, because he couldn't win without Anakin.
Why do u assume this?
1. He could not do it by himself, that is obvious. Knowing that he can foresee everything, I believe he must know that the most powerful Jedi are probably going to survive Order 66 (or at least will plan for it). He needs Anakin to help combat them, so they just don't team up on him.
2. He knows the prophecy just like the Jedi do. Anakin is the chosen one. Regardless of what side he brought balance to, it required him for one side to win. If Palpatine didn't already know that Anakin was absolutely needed to defeat the Jedi, he wouldn't have put himself in that position.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 2:29 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 1:45 am to Stingray
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I choose to believe that the Mace Windu was the perfect guy to defeat the emperor. He was the jedi weapons master and in jedi guardian class, meaning he focused on the saber. He also develop his own style of saber fighting which was specifically tailored to beat the Sith. That day, Mace was too much for the emperor.
Mace was a fantastic swordsman, no doubt. However, even Obi Wan admitted that Yoda was the best swordsman in the Jedi order, even though the saber was Mace's specialty.
If Mace was so good, he should have had control of the battle. He did not. Palpatine was controlling the flow of that battle fromt he start. Then, pretty unexplainably, he is able to get kicked by Mace, even though he was shown being able to jump and flip around being as agile as Yoda. Furthermore, his lightsaber gets kicked out of the window, so it seems like he is defenseless, right as Anakin walks in. With everything that Palpatine has been able to orchestrate and make happen exactly to his design, that is way too perfect of a scenario the just be coincidence.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 1:59 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 1:45 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I didn't read all of the posts, but as detailed in the stories Luke was the most powerful of all Jedi. He had all of the potential of his father, as did Leia. Anakin would have been twice as powerful as any Jedi or Sith, but his injuries limited him (such as he couldn't use force lightening).
Posted on 5/27/12 at 1:54 am to alajones
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If you agree that Mace had complete control of the battle, you then are forced to believe that Anakin would have turned, regardless.
Why?
Because, the only point Palpatine has in fighting is that he needs to get Anakin to still turn. He has already foreseen everything and orchestrated everything. Therefore, he knows how Anakin turns. If he didn't need to see that the Jedi were seemingly taking over the senate, he could have just let the Jedi arrest him, let Anakin turn to the dark side, and then they both start taking over.
Furthermore, that final scene with Windu standing over a defenseless Palpatine was needed to put validity to all the nuggets that Palpatine was feeding Anakin about the Jedi wanting to take over, those with power only want more power, etc...
All the talks Palpatine had throughout the movie with Anakin had led to that point. Now, if you think Anakin would have turned without walking in on Windu and Palpatine in the positions they were, then I just can't debate this anymore because it will be pointless.
Also, what do you make of the scene where Palpatine uses Telepathy to communicate to Anakin soon before Windu and crew get to him?
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 3:15 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 1:56 am to brmark70816
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I didn't read all of the posts, but as detailed in the stories Luke was the most powerful of all Jedi. He had all of the potential of his father, as did Leia. Anakin would have been twice as powerful as any Jedi or Sith, but his injuries limited him (such as he couldn't use force lightening).
If you include the books, then yes there is an argument for him. However, neither Luke or Leia had as much power as Anakin/Vader did in just the movie stories. The books take too many liberties with force powers. now, Luke was very powerful, no doubt, but he was not more powerful than Vader, Yoday, Palpatine at all.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:09 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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If you include the books, then yes there is an argument for him. However, neither Luke or Leia had as much power as Anakin/Vader did in just the movie stories. The books take too many liberties with force powers. now, Luke was very powerful, no doubt, but he was not more powerful than Vader, Yoday, Palpatine at all.
Were they just talking about the movies? Luke was only like 26 in ROTJ. In the books, his powers far surpass his father's or even Palpatine. He can yield force lightening, walk on lava, send thoughts far through space, talk with force spirits, etc..
They actually did a force meter at one point. Palpatine was the strongest force user ever at one point. Anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful, but was limited to 80% of Palpatine after his injuries (that's why he could never overpower him). Luke had all the potential of his father and that's why he becomes the most powerful..
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:15 am to brmark70816
Yea, for the most part we are just talking about the movies because they keep everything on a even field. The books allow force abilities that Lucas would not.
Furthermore to the Sidious vs Windu battle, I do believe that both were fairly equal with regards to ability, and Palpatine wasn't just playing with him. However, he was able to do enough to control how the fight went along, and once he got Anakin to his side, he unleashes his full and "unlimited" power".
At that time, there were only two people who ever bested Windu witht he saber, Yoda and Dooku (that does come from books, so disregard if you want). The way Sidious was able to fight Yoday definitely was not equal to the level he fought Windu at
Furthermore to the Sidious vs Windu battle, I do believe that both were fairly equal with regards to ability, and Palpatine wasn't just playing with him. However, he was able to do enough to control how the fight went along, and once he got Anakin to his side, he unleashes his full and "unlimited" power".
At that time, there were only two people who ever bested Windu witht he saber, Yoda and Dooku (that does come from books, so disregard if you want). The way Sidious was able to fight Yoday definitely was not equal to the level he fought Windu at
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 2:32 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Furthermore, one last thing I picked on that may be me looking too far into this, but it is a good point none the less.
Look how similar that scene is to when Anakin kills Dukoo. Anakins kills him and says something along the lines of "I shouldn't have done that, it's not the Jedi way". And then Palpatine says "It needed to be done, he was evil" or whatever it was
Then, Anakin tells Windu that killing Palpatine isn't the Jedi way and Windu says he is too dangerous to be left alive.
The reaction Anakin had to this just seemed to be the last straw to snap in his distrust of the Jedi.
Anyways, look forward to you guys's responses tomorrow.
Look how similar that scene is to when Anakin kills Dukoo. Anakins kills him and says something along the lines of "I shouldn't have done that, it's not the Jedi way". And then Palpatine says "It needed to be done, he was evil" or whatever it was
Then, Anakin tells Windu that killing Palpatine isn't the Jedi way and Windu says he is too dangerous to be left alive.
The reaction Anakin had to this just seemed to be the last straw to snap in his distrust of the Jedi.
Anyways, look forward to you guys's responses tomorrow.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:33 am to Boh
I think Jedi Cat kicks all their arse
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:34 am to Boh
When dooku is talking to obi- wan on geonosis he saya i was really hoping to convince you to join me, master yoda raves about your fighting ability, you may even be better than him.
Then dooku kicks his and anakins arse until yoda shows up. The emperior let mace beat him so he could get anakin to help him thus finishing sidious quest to turn him to the dark side.
Dooku also bested mace on geonosis when mace came up behind him and before mace leaped into the arena to help obi-wan and the others.
Yoda
obi-wan
vadar
Emperior
Anakin
Dooku
mace
qui-gon
Now if you want to include movies 4-6 then i rate luke behind the emperior, luke was being killed until vadar stepped in.
Luke was the shits if you include the books.
Then dooku kicks his and anakins arse until yoda shows up. The emperior let mace beat him so he could get anakin to help him thus finishing sidious quest to turn him to the dark side.
Dooku also bested mace on geonosis when mace came up behind him and before mace leaped into the arena to help obi-wan and the others.
Yoda
obi-wan
vadar
Emperior
Anakin
Dooku
mace
qui-gon
Now if you want to include movies 4-6 then i rate luke behind the emperior, luke was being killed until vadar stepped in.
Luke was the shits if you include the books.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 2:44 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 2:43 am to bulldog95
Crap, one more response. To whoever was talking about the lightening deforming him and what not. That was used to serve as proof to the rest of the senate in order from him to become Emperor. They wouldn't have believed him more than likely if he just up there normally IMO.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 2:47 am
Posted on 5/27/12 at 4:09 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Was Sidious, Maul, & Dooku all around at the same time? If not it seemed Dooku got real good real fast.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 4:11 am to BOSCEAUX
They were around, but Dooku was not a Sith. You have to remember he was a Jedi Knight (maybe master, I can't remember) before he joined with Sidious, so he was already extremely good.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 4:12 am
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