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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:32 pm to
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even ignoring how unrealistic rust was)


Even tho you yourself said that you were like Rust.... Guess you are an unrealistic person
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:54 pm to
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You're doing the exact same thing.

no, i'm not. and y'all can go look at my posts

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You were the one with the negative view towards the show and have been biased ever since.

if the show was veering in a direction i didn't like, why would i be happy with it?

i explained in great detail my issues with the show. those issues were never resolved, so why would i be happy?

you would somewhat have a point if i truly did give up on the show and i stopped watching. but i didn't, and i didn't

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and that if anyone says they actually liked the entire show that they must be lying to themselves.

i never said that

i clearly stated that all the people who enjoyed the show primarily for the mystery/plot who NOW claim that the mystery/plot were worthless, AFTER they were exposed as being pointless, are lying to themselves

my focus clearly has been on story and not characters. even after i proclaimed episode 1 to be the best premier of any series i've ever seen, i made comments about my reservations with rust. i'm not going to lie and be like, "oh well the plot was thrown away, i'll claim this was great b/c it became centered around a character i never liked in the first place". you do realize how ridiculous that is, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 6:58 pm to
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Even tho you yourself said that you were like Rust

i would never make it as a state/county/local policeman. i'd almost assuredly never be hired, and if i was, i'd never get promoted to a homicide detective like rust was.

There are other similar stories

police forces are government bureaucracies and they do not want intelligent people or "Deep thinkers". they want people who will follow orders, will not have a moral problem covering for fellow officers, and who will tote the company line without fear of leaving the job.

Posted by glassman
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:30 pm to
It is a TV show, not real life. It was entertaining and quite obviously thought provoking.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:12 pm to
It's still real to him dammit.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16982 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:05 pm to
What is funny to me is that HBO bought the show based on the first two episodes. Wow, did this series change or what after that? I mean HBO got their monies worth based on ratings but the last three episodes really took a turn.

I have argued you have to analyze this series from a reverse order. It ended up on a vector that like a hurricane forecast was in a wider range and not where most models predicted. It is like a hurricane forecasting for Destin and making land fall in Houston. What we did not take into account was the high pressure system that came down and stalled over Mobile. Game changer was Maggie fricking Rust. It broke up the marriage and Rust and Marty's partnership. It sent Rust to Alaska off the deep end.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 2:21 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:31 pm to
Watched 7 and now watching 8 again ...This show is awesome if you aren't an asshat
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:42 pm to


Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:15 am to
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police forces are government bureaucracies and they do not want intelligent people or "Deep thinkers".


They don't won't dudes that spend a good portion of the day on a message board, obsessing about a show that ended almost a week ago?

That sounds like detective material to me. Of course, you'd probably figure stuff out too quick, get bored and spend most of your time complaining that cases start out with a lot of promise, but ultimately disappoint you, but you knew from the start.

Damn this intellect!
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16982 posts
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:21 am to
SFP is 4th dimensional with a lot of circular logic. The plot getting unhinged occurred early on for him but truthfully the writer did a great job of sucking us in. Then spun us around and pointed us at the finish line. We wobbled all the way and did our best to make time. In end, a few had more bruises than the rest of us. Some still haven't gotten there yet.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 8:23 am
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:30 am to
Shut up. You're like a gayer version of him.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:39 am to
Yeah. People sure are hating on ole SFP.

In the long run taste in movies and tv shows are highly subjective and thus the vast majority of discussions regarding them are only useful for entertainment purposes.

I thoroughly enjoyed this show from the first episode to the last. But that's not to say that someone who doesn't enjoy it or who finds fault with parts of it is wrong. It's just personal tastes.

I'd kind of like to see SFP's take on shows like Lonesome Dove or Band of Brothers, posted episode by episode as he watches them. Could make for some great threads.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465483 posts
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:58 am to
i wathced BoB all the way through for the first time last year. you missed out on that opportunity

and fwiw, BoB was really, really good. it wasn't really deep at all but what it dealt with was done very well

never seen lonesome dove. don't really have a desire to do so.

currently i'm watching firefly (and i've posted a tad about my thoughts). it's not really a show worthy of a lot of discussion

i'm saving mad men and dexter, by the way. from what i can read b/w the lines, dexter becomes an absolute shite show

i couldn't really get into freaks and geeks and only got about 1/3 of the way through. i made a thread about it
Posted by 632627
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:45 am to
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Just because the threads were dominated by the mystery doesn't mean that's the main reason people were drawn to the show. They were drawn to the mystery because of the characterization of Rust, his dialogue,


you don't really believe that, do you? More people cared about the mystery than the buddy cop story, as evidenced by how the mystery chatter dominated the threads.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16982 posts
Posted on 3/15/14 at 7:45 pm to
Meathead gonna meathead...
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:16 am to
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You're doing the exact same thing. You were the one with the negative view towards the show and have been biased ever since. You make your opinion on the show as if it's fact, and that if anyone says they actually liked the entire show that they must be lying to themselves.


Ding ding. Dude dresses idiosyncratic views as facts on almost every subject. If it vaguely sounds reasonable but it's really bullshite, SFP has probably said it.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:17 am to
Dude, you are nothing like Rust. Not only do not understand Rust's philosophy, but you can't even figure out the barely fuzzy "plot holes" at the end of the show.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465483 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:37 am to
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but you can't even figure out the barely fuzzy "plot holes" at the end of the show.

i just didn't engage in speculation without much basis. it's not really a thing in enjoy to do with tv/movies

i know some people get off on it, and they celebrate when bits and pieces are somewhat confirmed by the creators, but i don't. it's like the "did the top stop spinning" debates that are pointless, and aren't really "won" whne michael cane makes a comment about it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465483 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:39 am to
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Dude dresses idiosyncratic views as facts on almost every subject.

we're talking about subjective valuation, which i believe will always be idiosyncratic (we don't live in mother russia, here)

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If it vaguely sounds reasonable but it's really bullshite, SFP has probably said it.

personal opinion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465483 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:42 am to
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More people cared about the mystery than the buddy cop story, as evidenced by how the mystery chatter dominated the threads.

yeah i don't get why people want to re-write history

there was some minor discussion about the characters. that wasn't probably more than 10-15% of all discussion

the remainder was about the story/mystery (with a small chunk for louisiana-related posts). how else would we just the interest other than the topics that led to discussion? are we to assume now that the discussion wasn't an indication of interest? how does that make sense?
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