re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

Whered you find that gif generator bro?

Want to drop that gif on lester one day

Its gone?

That's silly. The Walking Dead et al don't have critics taking them seriously, don't have a sophisticated fanbase declaring it the GOAT on episode 3, don't have people buying books because the creator of the show / the show mentions them, don't have people poring over every shot, etc.

Just peruse the TD subreddit. There's been a surprisingly high level of conversation going on all season as well as occasionally hilarious speculation.

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Whered you find that gif generator bro?

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Someone posted the gif earlier in this thread, I took it to the Fark Board, and The Pain Train fulfilled my request.

Nothing like gassing up the 42' Bertram to go inside fishing for croakers and sheepshead...stealing a 20' Mako or Boston Whaler would have been more believable but then where would have Rust hidden and they watch the video:)

Holy shite, just finished it. Woody harelson amd mathew mcocngy are some of my favorite actors. errol was a creep, but are there really satanic things in lousiana?

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again. you can go read the threads themselves on here. they were dominated by the mystery/story

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I certainly hear what you're saying, but I'm talking about reasonable individuals I hung out with IRL who watched the show. Not a single word was spoken by them about any half-cocked theories that focused on 19th century literature until around Episode 3-4. Sure, there was talk of Marty being the killer or Rust suffering from DID, but that's just genuine speculation. Reasonable speculation for what amounts to an 8 hour movie.

Everything talked about leading up to that point (from those I knew who were regular viewers) was how ridiculously well-written the characters were and how magnificent of a job MM and WH were doing at portraying them. Granted, I'm living in GA and not LA where I'm sure the obsession level created a unique mentality for the viewing audience in that state.

Even as late as the beginning of Episode 5 most people were immersed with MM's character and the botched stash house robbery's single take. Further, everybody was interested in the search for Ledoux. Not nearly as much interest was being shown in the meaning of the Yellow King, Carcosa, stars, spirals, etc. by anybody except the early fanatics.

As soon as WH pulled the trigger and killed Ledoux, though, imaginations ran wild. The reasonable viewers were left with tons of questions and a genuine mystery on their hands (Why kill a potential serial killer without getting info from him? Obvious answer is so you can continue to write the story, but still. And it happened, essentially, 3 times in one season w/ Reggie, Dewall and Errol). If anything, that should have let viewers know that the details surrounding the killings were about to become less and less important.

Where did the reasonable viewers turn? To those already obsessing and hinging on every word. This in turn led to the popularization of the "Marty's father-in-law" theory, the "Marty's daughter" theory, the questioning of the time line, etc. Then the reasonable viewers and fanatics came together as one for the most part.

People just started missing the forest for the trees, so to speak. It was simply a uniquely formatted show with an exceptionally talented first time writer getting the opportunity to cover many of his flaws with great acting. I'm guessing in the coming seasons that the holes in the writing will vanish, but the quality of both the story line and acting will decrease. It was never going to be a life-altering work of art, was never meant to be, and that ruined it for some people with unrealistic expectations IMO. The house being painted green clue was disappointing for me, but was probably a major deal breaker for other viewers who focused their entire attention on the mystery itself.

And that's really all I've got to say about it I guess. I waited until the end of the season to actually post anything on here concerning and it resulted in being a little long-winded.

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Where did the reasonable viewers turn? To those already obsessing and hinging on every word. This in turn led to the popularization of the "Marty's father-in-law" theory, the "Marty's daughter" theory, the questioning of the time line, etc. Then the reasonable viewers and fanatics came together as one for the most part.

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well people have a strange psychological fascination with sticking with things they thought they liked, even after it turns out to be something they don't like. people lie to themselves and change their tune to remain consistent in their confirmation bias

it happens with media, especially tv shows, often. there was a great thread a few weeks ago about giving up on tv shows. the underlying explanations in that thread explain why this happens. people WANT to believe the show is still good

humans are very good at lying to themselves. we protect our psyche/ego

walking dead is a good one...Treme is by far the best. that show sucked dick from the get-go but some people deluded themselves into watching it for multiple seasons

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I'm guessing in the coming seasons that the holes in the writing will vanish,

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i'm honestly curious what future seasons can be, especially if the actual investigation is worthless.

you're really limiting yourself when you do that. cutting off your nose to spite your face, essentially

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. It was never going to be a life-altering work of art, was never meant to be, and that ruined it for some people with unrealistic expectations IMO.

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i don't think the expectations were that unrealistic after episodes 1-2 (even ignoring how unrealistic rust was)

that series premier was the best i can remember seeing.