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I think the fact that I'm not some obsessed fan who knows the ins and outs of the universe of Star Wars makes it easier for me to enjoy the prequels without being pissed off by things like facts getting forgotten or something like Jar Jar Binks.

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Unfortunately I pretty much am.

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I actually liked seeing Yoda as a badassly-skilled lightsaber fighter. And there were several cool things that I loevd about Phantom. Like the whole "there's always a bigger fish" scenes, Darth Maul, etc. My main gripe was the acting and that I wished they would have advanced Anakin's life more throughout.

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I actually liked those scenes as well (minus Yoda fighting). Darth Maul's duel may have been soulless, but there's no denying that its cool. Phantom has its moments far more than Clones does, and I kinda feel Episode III is a slight guilty pleasure from me due solely to the Emperor being awesome in it, even if his plan was stupid. I just think some psychic showdown with Yoda and the Emperor would have been better and not detracted from the characters, and really thats what it ended up as in the end. Yoda can still be a badass warrior with Force powers, as can the Emperor, I just personally feel that he should have never withdrawn a lightsaber since its not a practical weapon for him to use.

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Explain.

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There's no tension for the audience, nor is there anything personal about any of these duels. The only one in the prequels that had this was Anakin vs Obi Wan, while all 3 of them did in the original trilogy. I mean Qui Gon died, but really who cares? Sure Obi Wan is supposed to, but we don't feel any sense of loss with him dying. The duels should be more about things like Obi Wan sacrificing himself, Luke finding out Vader is his father, and Luke nearly murdering his father in rage and to spare him by not going over to the Dark Side. These duels had soul, passion, and emotions. Not that you are defending it, but there are absolutely no other emotions or passion in any of the other duels in the prequel series aside from Obi Wan vs Maul (and that only happened after Maul killed Qui Gon) and Obi Wan vs Anakin. I mean were we really supposed to care about Dooku vs Obi Wan and Anakin? Its all style and almost no substance.

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Clones is where I really noticed how truly bad the acting was. People can tell me all they want that Natalie Portman is an awesome actress, but I just refuse to believe that. Even actors in the prequels ACTED their lines. She simply seemed to be reading them off the page.

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I try to give the actors of these films the benefit of the doubt, because really these are some of the lines:

"Someday I will be. I will be the most powerful Jedi ever. I promise you. I will even learn to stop people from dying! It's all Obi-Wan's fault! He's jealous! He's holding me back!"
"You're asking me to be rational. That is something that I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't."
"Anakin: Don't be afraid.
Padme: I'm not afraid to die. I've been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life.
Anakin: What are you talking about?
Padme: I love you.
Anakin: You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.
Padme: I think our lives are about to be destroyed anyway. I truly... deeply... love you and before we die I want you to know."

Seriously, try to say those lines with a straight face.

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I think that the prequels were basically destined to fail within the minds of SW fanboys. Nothing Lucas could have done would have appeased the masses. I mean, people were PISSED THE frick OFF about medichloreans being the reason that someone could control the force. Who the frick cares? I bought it as an explanation and it suited me just fine. You know why?..because it was a fake explanation for a fake thing that isn't even real (the force). So for the most part, whatever reason Lucas gave for the force being controlled would have been good enough for me. Because I simply didn't care enough to let that ruin it for me.

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Midiclorians don't piss me off that much, but the Force should never have really been answered, nor do I think most people wanted it to be answered.

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I know, because you've said it about 8 times in this thread so far...

But Yoda is one of the most badass Jedi Knights in history, right? So it stands to reason that he would be a badass with a lightsaber. Why not actually bring some of that to life on-screen..?? I remember watching that part in the theater and being like "Goddamn...Yoda is fricking shite up with that lightsaber...badass indeed..." Sure, he can frick shite up with the force, but he can weild a saber with the best of them.

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The lightsaber should be practical for HUMAN Jedis, and a few other species. Like do you think that these Jedi should be dueling with lightsabers?




The first guy's tentacles would be a major hazard to where he could easily injure himself. The second guy's neck is like 4 feet long and make for an obvious and easy target. The last guy's ears have a wingspan of 5 feet long, also making it heavily impractical for him to be swinging a lightsaber around. Originally Vader initially had a lightsaber just to go back to his roots as a fallen Jedi, but now its apparent that all Sith have one. Not all Jedi should be complete hardcore duelists.

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Like do you think that these Jedi should be dueling with lightsabers?

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Of course, because that is the main weapon of a Jedi Knight.

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Not all Jedi should be complete hardcore duelists.

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Sure, but they should all have the ability to fight with them if the need arises, like in the clones fight. And weren't they using their forces along with the lightsabers? Like air-shoving things around and using that as a defense?

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I think the fact that I'm not some obsessed fan who knows the ins and outs of the universe of Star Wars makes it easier for me to enjoy the prequels without being pissed off by things like facts getting forgotten or something like Jar Jar Binks.

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I am an obsessed fan (to a point..I don't dress up and go to conventions)who knows the ins and outs and these things don't upset me greatly. Many times when you see somebody on here complaining about something in the plot or character trait being incorrect, forgotten, or missing a connection, that person is simply wrong or just not thinking before he/she speaks.

Now, I have said it before. Episode II is not that great, and charachters like Jar Jar make my skin crawl at times. But I do think that I and III were good to great. III being great, and I beging good.

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Jedi should probably have multiple weapons aside from a lightsaber, with the lightsaber being the human/humanoid alien weapon of choice.

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Yeah, but I still think it is impractical. Some Jedi should specialize in other things aside from fighting though, like mind tricks and foresight and what not.

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It's certainly not impractical against hordes of robots shooting lasers at them. It's their main/best defense to defend/block those shots coming at them. And actually, that is what the majority of use of the lightsaber seems to be from what I remember.

It's not like your typical Jedi can just wave his hand and crush thousands of robots. And if he could, then the movies would be terrible. It's like watching Titanic and saying "Well yeah, but why couldn't they just steer around the iceberg..." Well, without it, the movie sucks (even more than it already does).

No, it ruined Star Wars for me as a kid. I had the cards, collected the memorabilia. I saw this shitfest and it point blank killed it for me. I haven't seen any of the other "new ones" because I'd rather stick my face in a toaster at the shitty subway I work at.

I would have accepted the midichlorians better if they had a pay-off like having something to do with not being able to clone those with them.

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your whole lightsaber obsession is pretty ridiculous IMO. Jedi's use lightsabers; Sith use lightsabers. This is a fact of the star wars universe. In your own vision of the star wars universe they might not but that doesn't really count for much.

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Obviously now

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a jedi can stop a laser blast from less than 50 feet away with surgical precision but they aren't skilled enough to not cut off their own ear?

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It still gives a human who is built to wield a lightsaber the advantage, since those examples above need to be particullarly careful when dealing with a lightsaber. Like if you were in a duel with the ear guy, you would likely aim for his ears knowing you could push his own lightsaber into it quite easily since his ears are nearly as long as his lightsaber and would make a nice distraction to get the finishing blow in. I'm done talking about the practicality of the lightsaber from an other species point of view.

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I just assumed human Jedi used the lightsaber like Obi Wan, Vader, and Luke.

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In A New Hope Obi-Wan says "Your father's light saber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age."

He doesn't say this is the weapon of some Jedi, or of human Jedi. He says this is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. I would think that means that all jedi use them.