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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E09 “Fun and Games” Thread

Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:13 pm to
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People were wondering if this was the same day Walt came in the office for the first time but the suit didn’t match. But it is the same suit and tie when Walt and Jesse kidnap him and take him out to the desert. The Caddy was parked in the same space but Saul probably parked there every day. So perhaps this is the day after Walt came in.


I thought it was the same day too, but it wasn’t. The caddy’s tags expired in November of ‘05. It could have been a mistake, but as close as that shot was and as meticulous as they are about little details, I can’t see them messing that up. However, the handicap tag he puts on the rearview mirror expires in November of ‘08. BUT, some internet researcher discovered that handicapped tags in New Mexico don’t expire for 3 years, so, assuming his license tag isn’t expired, it’s probably November ‘05, meaning the jump was only a year and a half, which is interesting. I think it makes sense to show how fast Jimmy was able to go from the breakup scene to the Saul we know in Breaking Bad. But it does still leave 2 to 2 1/2 years till BB, which will be interesting to see how they do the next jump.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:13 pm to
The handicap tag expires the month of your birthday while the car reg should be from purchase/registration date.

Posted by BluesDriver
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:08 pm to
Well I mentioned possibilities for another show in this universe and AMC apparently wants one more.

LINK

I totally didn’t think about Kim getting one. If she doesn’t make another appearance than it’s a good possibility we’ll get one with her living a new life somewhere.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:30 pm to
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The handicap tag expires the month of your birthday


I’m assuming you mean every year, which I believe you is probably the case where you live or most states. Apparently this is specific to New Mexico according to the internets.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:49 pm to
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I’m assuming you mean every year, which I believe you is probably the case where you live or most states. Apparently this is specific to New Mexico according to the internets.


I don't mean every year. Just the month. The expiration is the persons birthday however many years down the line.

Earlier someone claimed the vehicle registration was based on the owners birthday which makes no sense. Was pointing out the difference between the handicapped tag and the reg. Poorly it appears.

eta-While the car reg expires in Nov '05 we can be anywhere between Nov '04 and the expiration date. NM does have 2 year registrations as an option but we know he didn't have the car in the spring of '04, so he went with the standard 1 year.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Not surprising Saul still leaned to the idea Lalo was still alive. Of course, we can forgive Saul in his terror not recognizing a solid fact: if Lalo was going to take final revenge on Saul, he no doubt was going to do it himself and not by proxy with two flunkies.


Interesting story that Vince Gilligan told on last episode’s podcast that featured Tony Dalton. For those that haven’t heard them, they usually have the host—one of the editors, the former co-host, creator of the podcast, former editor of BB amd BCS (she left to work on The Mandalorian and Obi-One), Vince, Peter Gould (wasn’t there this week), the writer of the episode, the director, the occasional actor if they had a particularly big part in that episode, and maybe one or 2 more folks like a casting director, composer, etc…So a good bit of the creative team of each episode is represented.

Anyway, somebody was really bragging on Tony Dalton’s portrayal of Lalo and where in the world did they find this guy and did they always know he was gonna wind up being a big part of the show. Before the writer of the episode (Vince directed) started talking about casting, Vince interrupted him and told the story that I’d heard him tell a few times before, but from the beginning the writers in the writer’s room were trying to figure out a way to introduce a Lalo character since Saul mentioned him and Nacho out in the desert. They had already decided to create Nacho. But they never could figure out a way that made sense and didn’t feel shoehorned, so a once just kept telling them to forget about it, it was just a throw away line in Breaking Bad that didn’t mean anything—“I know, I was there.”

But the writers wouldn’t let it go, and Vince kept telling em to forget about it, they didn’t have to have to introduce a Lalo character, especially as late as episode 8 in Season 4. But the writers persisted and figured out a way that made sense. So Vince said to than the writers, because if it had been up to him there wouldn’t have been a Lalo, and the show would have been poorer for it, thanks almost exclusively to Tony Dalton’s incredible portrayal, which was supposed to only be the last 2 episodes until they got on set and saw how charismatic and terrifying he played him at the same time, and knew they could really do something special with his character.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:03 pm to
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No one in this universe has had a happy endin


Went pretty good for Holly White.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:18 pm to
Another cool story I heard Odenkirk tell in an interview was he was originally supposed to be on in 4 episodes in Breaking Bad, but he had a scheduling conflict and couldn’t do the 4th episode because he was contractually obligated to be on “How I Met Your Mother,” I think. That 4th episode was when Jesse wakes up to find Jane dead. It was supposed to be Saul who went over there to help settle him down and clean up. Bit since he couldn’t be there, they had to invent Mike’s character to do it for him. And obviously, they loved Jonathan Banks and kept him on. So Bob said you can think “How I Met Your Mother” for Mike.

A lot of cool things like that in that universe that Vince credits the casting directors with finding these characters, the writers and directors realizing what they have with the actors. They’re so good they have to rethink the characters and their arcs to take advantage. He always mentions Jesse from Breaking Bad who was supposed to die in the 1st season and Kim from BCS, who they thought may just be a half-season love interest for Jimmy until they realized how incredible Rhea Seahorn was. So, take what you will from that relative to Ham’s theory. That shot where they’re smoking in Episode 1 when he’s in the light and she’s in the shadow is, to Ham’s credit, the exact kind of shot they would have used had they known where they were going. But Vince continues to explicitly say that’s not how he works.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:31 pm to
They definitely look for people with great range. Back when Chris Hardwick was allowed to do interviews on TV, I think maybe in the first season of BCS, he asked Vince and Peter about casting actors with comedic backgrounds. Vince said a lot of funny actors can do serious, but not a lot of serious actors can do funny.

So I'm sure it didn't take too long working w/ Odenkirk to realize that they had the kind of person they liked to work with, and could figure out how to use him more. It's pretty impressive how they can adapt to talent, rather than being egotistical and trying to shoehorn actors into preconceived frameworks.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:33 pm to
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Tony Dalton
If Disney doesn't follow up the Hawkeye series with a Swordsman series, they're insane. Dalton is amazing to watch.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:30 pm to
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That doesn't sound satisfying at all.

I see where you’re coming from. These writers try to avoid tropes. They don’t give us happy endings. They give us what the character deserves whether we like the character or not.

I like Walter White. I pulled for him. But by the end of the series, I was ready for him to die. He died a fitting death.

Jimmy McGill is a con artist. He ruined his own father’s business. He shat in some dude’s Cadillac. He is terrible at maintaining successful relationships - being married and divorced twice. Then he got worse. He is highly unethical and we could go on. The character does not deserve to live happily ever after and these writers don’t do that. The character will get what he deserves and it will not be happiness.

But you may be right about Kim being behind the taxi driver. I doubt it was simply a random event. The writers showed us that Jimmy/Gene was suspicious.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:44 pm to
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I like Walter White. I pulled for him. But by the end of the series, I was ready for him to die. He died a fitting death.

But it was close to a happy death as Walt could have got given what his situation was a few months prior. He was about to turn himself in, the neo Nazis were still alive, and his family had no money.

Yeah he dies but gets his revenge, sets something up to get the money to his son, sees Skylar and his son (from a distance) one last time, and dies in his favorite type of place.

I could see Gene getting some kind of happiness/fulfillment before he dies
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 5:49 pm to
I hated Walt.

Not for what he did, but rather his personality and facial expressions.

Walking up to people like he's some bad arse when he was anything but. Should have been laid out more than he was.

Rewatched the last season recently and find I like BCS much better. Basically hated all the main characters and the suspend reality actions of Walt. While some of the scam stuff was a bit of a reach, BCS feels much more believable.

Smiled when Hank's head was mad into a canoe and his bitch wife getting the news.

Hell, the Nazi's were more likable than anyone else. At least they were not full of bullshite the entire time. What you saw is what you got.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 5:51 pm
Posted by NewBR
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:27 pm to
Rhea Seehorn was featured in an AMC short series called Cooper’s Bar. She plays a high powered, cold blooded Hollywood Exec. Is that Kim’s next move?

Highly unlikely, but the show is worth a watch on YouTube.
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:30 pm to
I'll give an unpopular opinion.

I'm glad Kim crashed and hope her life going forward is miserable. Living in a trailer park, divorced with 4 kids kind of miserable.

And hope Gene ends up in a similar situation.
Posted by Peter167
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:54 pm to
I don't know if anyone mentioned it but the pics fron Howard's memorial were taken straight from the actors Instagram lol i found that funny.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:21 pm to
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I'm glad Kim crashed and hope her life going forward is miserable. Living in a trailer park, divorced with 4 kids kind of miserable.


How old is Kim supposed to be?

Seehorn is 50, so if Kim is supposed to be similar she isn't pumping out a bunch of puppies.
Posted by lz2112
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Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:26 am to
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Earlier someone claimed the vehicle registration was based on the owners birthday which makes no sense.


That would be me. Registrations/tags expire on your birthday in Florida and Georgia, and since Jimmy's birth month is November, I assumed it was the same in New Mexico. Apparently not.

Posted by rebelrouser
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:11 am to
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You certainly understand the terror in Saul’s voice much more intensely with Walt and Jesse in ski masks: “Did Lalo send you!!??”

Not surprising Saul still leaned to the idea Lalo was still alive. Of course, we can forgive Saul in his terror not recognizing a solid fact: if Lalo was going to take final revenge on Saul, he no doubt was going to do it himself and not by proxy with two flunkies.



How can Saul not think Lalo is dead now? Kim kept the fact he was still alive from him because she thought it would cause him to flee. But he just goes about his day thinking Lalo is still out there?
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:18 am to
The podcast is really good and you get a lot of stories and tidbits like the one you just mentioned.
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