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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S04E01 “Smoke” Thread
Posted on 8/7/18 at 5:22 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 8/7/18 at 5:22 pm to Willie Stroker
Yeah, ..ed told Walter that once he gets his clients out it's 0 contact, Walter was a special case and paid well for the further contact. People are on their own..and no point in ed paying anyone to do that.
There is really no one left alive there that Saul has to worry about, unless this timeline is before Walter went back to jacks compound.
I'm hoping he sees on the news that Walter did what he did. After that, unless the feds found the Jesse confession video (if it s till existed), there is no one that can link him to any of this except Skylar, and I don't think she wants any more part of that world.
There is really no one left alive there that Saul has to worry about, unless this timeline is before Walter went back to jacks compound.
I'm hoping he sees on the news that Walter did what he did. After that, unless the feds found the Jesse confession video (if it s till existed), there is no one that can link him to any of this except Skylar, and I don't think she wants any more part of that world.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:03 pm to SEClint
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there is no one that can link him to any of this except Skylar
Not true, Marie knew Jesse was working with Hank. Saul represented Jesse a couple of times in the interrogation room. He will be on record as Jesse's attorney. Now Jesse is gone and Saul skipped town as well. They may not have proof, but they know he's involved.
Huell is also out there as well and the character played by Bill Burr. We don't know what became of Huell when Hank didn't come back. He may have been scared to leave the hotel room without checking with the DEA first.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:08 pm to TheHarahanian
Does chuck scam and take the low road?
He flies very straight. Jimmy cuts all corners
He flies very straight. Jimmy cuts all corners
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:12 pm to Ham Solo
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Not true, Marie knew Jesse was working with Hank. Saul represented Jesse a couple of times in the interrogation room.
Saul was legal representation, that's all he needs to say. All he has to say is he wanted to visit a friend or any excuse really, Marie knows nothing except Jesse's involvement and the details of that were limited.
As far as huell and kuby, only huell was questioned and once shite hit he fan he was let go after 72 hours... "Mexico..all I'm sayin".
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:18 pm to SEClint
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Saul was legal representation, that's all he needs to say
I get what you're saying. The evidence they have on him is thin if nobody's talking.
My point is 2 DEA agents were murdered and even though they may not have proof they know Saul is involved. He wouldn't have skipped town when everything went down if he had nothing to hide.
Saul would have no reason to hide if the DEA had no way of figuring his part out.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:21 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:Luckily his woman is waaaay better. Love Kim and very interested to see where she fits in as Jimmy evolves into Saul.
Just like Walt
Jimmy really was trying to turn a new leaf and Chuck wasn’t having any of it. Even though Jimmy took great care of him so I think Chuck wasn’t so squeaky clean as some believe in here. There was a good deal of jealousy and vindictiveness in Chuck. He was smart but not as strong willed as Jimmy and that played out in his demise.
I really thought Jimmy was going to break when Howard confessed he thought he was guilty of pushing Chuck over the edge. Loved the complete transformation of Jimmy and the “well, that your cross to bare.”
Mike...Well Mike’s story lines just always rock! That scene in the office kitchen.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:27 pm to Ham Solo
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His intentions for doing this aren't clear yet. My guess would be that if he is going to be in bed with them he is going to snoop around and make sure it's actually secure for him to do so. Or it could just be he's getting paid so he feels better actually earning his money and also leaving a trail that he actually does work there if anyone looks too closely.
I was thinking about that too. I think it’s protecting himself like you said but he’s also filed with a lot of guilt and self loathimg over his son mainly, and I don’t think he felt right just taking that money without really doing anything. Also, he’s a doer. No matter how many times he pops a top, turns on a game, and leans back in his recliner, he’s not really comfortable unless he’s doing something.
But Mike—the actor’s—age is about to become an issue. He can’t keep playing so many years pre-BB, especially if they’re taking 15 months between seasons. They’re gonna have to take a shorter hiatus, have a pretty big time jump, or write him off a bit. Hate to see the later, cause he may be the best character in the entire universe.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:29 pm to Ham Solo
It may seem sketchy, but as far as they are concerned..that case is solved.
Skylar traded the GPS location that Walt gave her, when he said you can "tell them I forced my way in", they found the bodies. No reason to think Saul was there.
He could even use the excuse he feared for his life when he heard about the other lawyer being murdered and quietly left town.
Besides skylar, who is around, with a credible reputation that can nail him? Marie could only speculate and as a lawyer, he knows that's not enough.
Skylar traded the GPS location that Walt gave her, when he said you can "tell them I forced my way in", they found the bodies. No reason to think Saul was there.
He could even use the excuse he feared for his life when he heard about the other lawyer being murdered and quietly left town.
Besides skylar, who is around, with a credible reputation that can nail him? Marie could only speculate and as a lawyer, he knows that's not enough.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:41 pm to OystermanTiger
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I really thought Jimmy was going to break when Howard confessed he thought he was guilty of pushing Chuck over the edge. Loved the complete transformation of Jimmy and the “well, that your cross to bare.
Man, I didn’t like that at all. It was so cold, and I think a bit against his character. I’ve always seen Jimmy—and even Saul—as someone good at heart who was just kinda of a frickup and couldn’t get out of his own way, got in over his head and had to make bad/shady decisions for his own self-preservation. But I always felt Jimmy was a good person. Last night was rough. Unless it was a one-time slip--pun intended—and he redeems himself, we may have seen the moment where Jimmy finally breaks bad, and transforms into Saul for good.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:46 pm to Hot Carl
quote:This. Or at least the beginning of this. That is what I loved about it. He saw his guilt out and took it.
the moment where Jimmy finally breaks bad, and transforms into Saul for good.
ETA: The scene caught me by surprise I really thought Jimmy was going to say it was all his fault but instead said “F it” it was Chuck’s partner Howard’s fault.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 7:17 pm to OystermanTiger
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This. Or at least the beginning of this. That is what I loved about it. He saw his guilt out and took it.
The dude stayed up all night in the same position riddled with guilt, knowing his actions had killed his brother. Not just that, made his brother kill himself. And somebody else taking that guilt upon himself shouldn’t have absolved him from it. He still knows it was him. It’s not like there’s this guilt pie that Saul had 100% of that when Howard Hamlin(oh, is that an homage to Harry Hamlin on L.A. Law?) takes it, he takes the whole guilt pie. No, now there are just 2 guilt pies. Or should be. I hope Jimmy comes back from that, at least a little.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:28 pm to Hot Carl
Just watching this now. I'm calling it now, Walt will be in this season.
No reason otherwise to have poor man's Walt at the end in Barry.
Vince and crew are above that
No reason otherwise to have poor man's Walt at the end in Barry.
Vince and crew are above that
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:35 pm to Cow Drogo
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:57 pm to Gorilla Ball
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The dude stayed up all night in the same position riddled with guilt, knowing his actions had killed his brother. Not just that, made his brother kill himself
Yep, and when he was able to lay the blame on Hamlin this was his first absolutely real Saul moment. This was his first moment of blame denial on something of that importance.
When you do it once it becomes easier.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:02 pm to Ham Solo
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this was his first absolutely real Saul moment.
I disagree about it being the first. He’s had a couple like screwing over the old lady.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:03 pm to Ham Solo
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I hope Jimmy comes back from that, at least a little.
That process already started in Breaking Bad. Go back and watch the scene in the basement of the vacuum shop. That was Jimmy not Saul.
I really don't think we will ever fully lose Jimmy. I feel like he will be Saul at work. When downtime comes around he will still be Jimmy and struggle with what he's doing, but will submit to Saul.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:05 pm to Hot Carl
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But Mike—the actor’s—age is about to become an issue. He can’t keep playing so many years pre-BB, especially if they’re taking 15 months between seasons. They’re gonna have to take a shorter hiatus, have a pretty big time jump, or write him off a bit. Hate to see the later, cause he may be the best character in the entire universe.
This won’t be an issue.
IMO, we will be post Cinnabon after a season or two and mike would have already been killed by Walt.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:11 pm to Ham Solo
I know it was discussed when BCS first started, but how in the hell can Vince explain Mikes granddaughters age between the two series?
We’re still a little away from the beginning of the BB timeline and in this episode, she easily looked 4yrs older than she does in BB. She was a giant when she was watering the garden.
We’re still a little away from the beginning of the BB timeline and in this episode, she easily looked 4yrs older than she does in BB. She was a giant when she was watering the garden.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:21 pm to Lsut81
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I disagree about it being the first. He’s had a couple like screwing over the old lady.
That's a good point, but my opinion is that was more Slipping Jimmy. He didn't expect it to go that bad for Irene and fixed it when it did. Saul wouldn't have fixed the situation.
Slipping Jimmy was more about helping himself without hurting someone. Going after insurance companies and such.
With Irene he figured it would be a win win and he could move on. When it didn't turn out that way he sacrificed himself to fix it. Saul wouldn't have bothered.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:33 pm to Ham Solo
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how in the hell can Vince explain Mikes granddaughters age between the two series
Can't remember his exact explanation, but if I remember correctly it was basically frick it we don't want to deal with another baby.
If that makes the rest of the show better so be it.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 9:40 pm
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