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Posted on 6/16/25 at 9:46 pm to hogcard1964
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The walls of the sub were "banging" and "popping" as it ascended and descended.
That's normal with a normal submarine.
Banging and popping with a carbon fiber sub = uh oh
Posted on 6/16/25 at 11:19 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
watching the HBO one now
apparently the pops were insanely loud
apparently the pops were insanely loud
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:41 am to Fearless_and_True
I watched both docs and thought they were both well done. The perspective from the Josh Gates on the HBO doc told me all I needed to know.
So the Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic. Dive #80 was when they heard the largest crack, but kept going down anyway. In theory I guess they could have ordered a new carbon fiber hull and kept going down? Seems like they could have zeroed in on a conservative number of trips each hull could stand and had a couple more ready to go. Obviously it would be a huge cost but seems like that could be a way to keep going.
In the Netflix doc they did give him credit for doing what he set out to do. He made many successful dives to 4000m in a carbon fiber hull. He just used the same compromised hull one too many times.
So the Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic. Dive #80 was when they heard the largest crack, but kept going down anyway. In theory I guess they could have ordered a new carbon fiber hull and kept going down? Seems like they could have zeroed in on a conservative number of trips each hull could stand and had a couple more ready to go. Obviously it would be a huge cost but seems like that could be a way to keep going.
In the Netflix doc they did give him credit for doing what he set out to do. He made many successful dives to 4000m in a carbon fiber hull. He just used the same compromised hull one too many times.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 12:08 pm to slinger1317
Despite my fascination with deep sea exploration and other frontiers, the Titan sub is exactly why I refuse to get on any random mother fricker's plane or boat.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 3:53 pm to tigersmanager
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He ignored the popping and fired anyone who talked about it
Those pops were making me have cold sweats just watching. Imagine what that little bullet sounded like right before it imploded. Probably sounded like the 4th of July.
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 pm to IlikeyouBetty
About halfway through it now.
You can tell Mr Lochridge is an actual experienced boat guy and anybody who was an actual boat guy got runt off.
This is infuriating to watch. Sure would like to have all the money this dude pissed away on a vacuum tube used to kill some people.
You can tell Mr Lochridge is an actual experienced boat guy and anybody who was an actual boat guy got runt off.
This is infuriating to watch. Sure would like to have all the money this dude pissed away on a vacuum tube used to kill some people.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:17 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Did anyone else find the facial expressions and awkward laughing of Tony Nissen (Director of Engineering) hard to watch at times? His on camera presence was really weird at points.
Ill save you the google. This guy:
Ill save you the google. This guy:
Posted on 6/19/25 at 5:09 pm to msap9020
Probably the look of a man who thought the ceo was an idiot was concerned about his life being ruined, and was ultimately vindicated.
Being an engineer sucks. Its thankless when its going well and full blame when it isnt.
Being an engineer sucks. Its thankless when its going well and full blame when it isnt.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:23 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Being an engineer sucks. Its thankless when its going well and full blame when it isnt.
Except Stockton went against every known standard of safety, and even actively devised ways around guidelines so he wasn't 'accountable' to any body or gov.
Calling the paying passengers 'specialists', using a US made sub yet sending off from a harbor in Nova Scotia, aboard a 3rd party ship.. he truly believed the rules and laws didn't apply to him, even the laws of physics, apparently.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:55 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I was referring to Neilson. That's the look of a man vindicated.
Im not familiar enough with subsea work to say how much of what stockton did was illegal vs how much of it was just reckless. He was definitely very reckless.
Its super impressive he made it down there and back multiple times. Its so difficult to fathom how someone who clearly possesed some intelligence was willing to risk lives over taking pictures of an old crusty arse boat.
Im not familiar enough with subsea work to say how much of what stockton did was illegal vs how much of it was just reckless. He was definitely very reckless.
Its super impressive he made it down there and back multiple times. Its so difficult to fathom how someone who clearly possesed some intelligence was willing to risk lives over taking pictures of an old crusty arse boat.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:58 pm to slinger1317
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I watched both docs and thought they were both well done. The perspective from the Josh Gates on the HBO doc told me all I needed to know.
I haven’t watched the Netflix one but have watched the Max one.
Like you said, Gates really laid it out succinctly. You want to be an explorer and risk your own life? Fine. But the minute you start including the public in your adventures, you have a responsibility to rise to a level of safety that protects those folks. Stockton did the opposite.
And to not even bother to change the hull design when it continued to crack. Jeesh. The incompetency due to sheer hubris was mindblowing.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:03 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Its so difficult to fathom how someone who clearly possesed some intelligence was willing to risk lives over taking pictures of an old crusty arse boat.
Just from the Netflix series alone, the practice of calling passengers “specialist”, and then leaving the submarine outside in the elements and sub freezing conditions is nothing short of mind blowing . Rush was so intelligent, and yet he ignored the basics of material integrity. They said shipping the sub back would be too expensive, so why the hell not just construct a MacGyver like housing to insulate and keep it protected ?
There is zero doubt in my mind that if you told several engineers they had to find a cost-effective way to keep that thing shielded from the elements - they could do it.But apparently they did nothing.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:44 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I've seen a bunch of illiterate cretins build hooches over entire structures and rig up heaters and basically climate control the whole damned thing to maintain a climate for painting, which promptly turned into a place for fricking off because it was so comfy in there.
Here's my theory on Stockton. He had a vendetta against the system which stiffles old school pioneering. Im a little sympathetic to that. Its damned difficult without Elon money to act on your visions of grandeur and becoming the next Jacques Cousteau. He just got blinded by the ambition, and ignored the experts around him who were just the rule book police to him. Hes like a lot of us have been at some point in our lives, he just had enough money to act on it.
As an engineer it is a tough row to hoe to be both innovative and safe and responsible. The reality is that in this day and age if you have a good idea, someone else probably had it already and there's a good reason it hasnt changed the world yet.
I think he vastly overestimated the general publics REAL excitement about taking a trip to see an old dilapidated rusty ship wreck. Like the surface of the moon, there's a good reason humans dont spend much time on the bottom of the ocean anymore. There's just no good reason to be there.
Here's my theory on Stockton. He had a vendetta against the system which stiffles old school pioneering. Im a little sympathetic to that. Its damned difficult without Elon money to act on your visions of grandeur and becoming the next Jacques Cousteau. He just got blinded by the ambition, and ignored the experts around him who were just the rule book police to him. Hes like a lot of us have been at some point in our lives, he just had enough money to act on it.
As an engineer it is a tough row to hoe to be both innovative and safe and responsible. The reality is that in this day and age if you have a good idea, someone else probably had it already and there's a good reason it hasnt changed the world yet.
I think he vastly overestimated the general publics REAL excitement about taking a trip to see an old dilapidated rusty ship wreck. Like the surface of the moon, there's a good reason humans dont spend much time on the bottom of the ocean anymore. There's just no good reason to be there.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 7:46 pm
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