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re: Thoughts on Tywin Lannister?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 11:21 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 8/3/22 at 11:21 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Right after he storms KL and saves Red Keep he walks in with Goffrey sitting on his throne.
Then Tywin's horse makes the most boss move of the entire series and takes a dumb right on the floor
Then Tywin's horse makes the most boss move of the entire series and takes a dumb right on the floor
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:46 am to SaintlyTiger88
Him skinning that deer while dressing down Jamie is one of the best character introductions I think I've ever watched.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:36 am to SaintlyTiger88
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He cared about his family, even if he came off as a cold father.
bullshite. He cared about his legacy, which is entirely different. Great fricking character, but he was a barbequed a-hole - particularly to his kids. He framed his own fricking kid for murder for frick's sake and then presided over a show trial designed to wrongfully convict him.
And he absolutely gave Clegane the order.
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Did he deserve a better fate?
It was poetic considering the Tywin/Tyrion dynamic.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 9:39 am
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:37 am to lz2112
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And I was just throwing out my observations. Looking back, Tywin was worse than Hitler, Hitler exterminated people based on race, Tywin exterminated people based on blood lines. Hitler wanted to enact genocide to purify his race, Tywin wanted to enact genocide to preserve the family name.
What genocide did Tywin carry out?
Tywin being worse than Hitler is laughably stupid IMO.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:39 am to Putty
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bullshite. He cared about his legacy, which is entirely different.
I think he cared a great deal about both.
HIs legacy, sure. But moreso the family name/crest. He would do anything to make sure the Lannister name always carried everything with it.
Btw, hey. :gaywave:
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:56 am to CocomoLSU
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I think he cared a great deal about both.
If he did, he would have spent a significant portion of his time trying to raise his fricking kids. Tywin was an exceptionally distant father and his shitty parenting ruined Westeros.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:08 pm to OMLandshark
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Tywin was an exceptionally distant father and his shitty parenting ruined Westeros.
I’ve always thought it was an interesting dynamic how Tywin was so remarkably different from his own father, Tytos.
Tytos was regarded as a weak man, whose bannermen openly mocked him. He was letting Casterly Rock and the Lannister name and fortune fall into ruin.
Tywin was the total opposite. While his father was weak, Tywin was strong. He restored everything his father had allowed to decline.
Also, we talk about Tywin’s ruthlessness. I don’t think anyone has mentioned House Reyne yet. The way he completely eradicated that House, man, just brutal. But alas, Tywin’s enemies felt the full brunt of his power and influence.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:48 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I like how he raised his kids to always pay their debts. Wish more kids got those lessons these days.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 5:01 pm to jbraua
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I like how he raised his kids to always pay their debts. Wish more kids got those lessons these days
True. A lot have said Tywin was a shitty father, and there is evidence that points to that. However, there are instances where he stepped up. Taking time every day to teach Jaime how to read was something he didn’t have to do, he easily could have assigned a tutor to that role. But he spent hours every day teaching him until he learned, despite Jaime’s dyslexia.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 5:27 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Taking time every day to teach Jaime how to read was something he didn’t have to do, he easily could have assigned a tutor to that role. But he spent hours every day teaching him until he learned, despite Jaime’s dyslexia.
That’s not in the books though. I have a hard time believing he’d take the time to do that, especially with how busy he was as Hand of the King. And while I love the deer skinning scene and is a powerful introductory scene, I don’t see Book Tywin doing that personally either. But it’s a powerful opener that shows you exactly what kind of guy Tywin is.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:07 pm to OMLandshark
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If he did, he would have spent a significant portion of his time trying to raise his fricking kids. Tywin was an exceptionally distant father and his shitty parenting ruined Westeros.
How do you know he didn’t raise his kids? Unless you are talking about something from the books, in the show his kids are all grown and we’re very clearly raised by Tywin.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:07 pm to OMLandshark
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That’s not in the books though.
This thread is clearly about the show, not the books anyway.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:24 pm to CocomoLSU
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How do you know he didn’t raise his kids? Unless you are talking about something from the books, in the show his kids are all grown and we’re very clearly raised by Tywin.
Mostly the books, but it’s clear even from the show he spent the majority of his time in King’s Landing being Hand of the King. He got more time to raise Tyrion than Jaime or Cersei, because he’d been mostly at Casterly Rock since Robert took the throne and Jaime is like 8 years older than Tyrion. Tyrion would escape to King’s Landing when he got old enough to get away from Tywin and closer to Jaime (even if Tyrion would reluctantly have to deal Cersei as the price).
The reason Tywin was a bad father to Cersei and Jaime is he was distant and didn’t give one frick what they wanted even if he loved them. Tywin was on the scene for most of Tyrion’s youth though, and he’s a bad father for his extreme cruelty (particularly the marriage incident) and contempt for Tyrion.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:38 pm to OMLandshark
How many times in the show did Cersei say something like “father always said….” or “remember when father always…”
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:08 pm to CocomoLSU
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How many times in the show did Cersei say something like “father always said….” or “remember when father always…”
The entire fricking kingdom could answer that for Cersei. Tywin was a man of words and made sure no person who crossed his path forgot them. There’s an entire fricking song played all over the kingdom on what her father always says and was the preamble to reminding the Starks why they’re being killed at the Red Wedding.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:12 pm to OMLandshark
Tywin=OG
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:20 pm to AggieHank86
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This is where I do see him as a "villain." Under the laws and customs of HIS time, he violated guestright, which was supposed to be inviolate.
Even if it saved thousands of innocent lives since it ended the war?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:22 pm to OMLandshark
Well there's a good chance he wasn't actually Tyrion's dad.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 5:21 am to SaintlyTiger88
Great villain in both book and show.
Nah, nobody liked him really, everyone was just scared of him. He was also just lucky more than once. In the end, even when all the balls seemed to roll his way he just had too many enemies thanks to his methods.
Might be wrong, but isn't pretty much every portrayal of lannister men in the wild (Except that one with the musician cameo) as little more than bandits going around menacing and killing innocent people even after the war was over?
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Would he have made a good King?
Nah, nobody liked him really, everyone was just scared of him. He was also just lucky more than once. In the end, even when all the balls seemed to roll his way he just had too many enemies thanks to his methods.
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Even if it saved thousands of innocent lives since it ended the war?
Might be wrong, but isn't pretty much every portrayal of lannister men in the wild (Except that one with the musician cameo) as little more than bandits going around menacing and killing innocent people even after the war was over?
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 5:28 am
Posted on 8/5/22 at 8:05 am to SaintlyTiger88
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So, what are your thoughts on Tywin? Villain or Noble Family Man?
Great character but classic villain. Somehow your analysis left off that 2 of his kids were fricking each other and his grand kids were all a product of incest
so he was either willfully ignorant or clueless when it came to his kids. He was the true power of the Lannister family and was essentially the ruler when Joffrey was king . Had he actually been the king, he would have probably been something of a tyrant, but not all together bad, like Joffrey.
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