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re: Thoughts on Tywin Lannister?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Villain or Noble Family Man?
Evil. Probably because BCS is ending, your question immediately made me think of Walter White in comparison. How much of what they did was for family and how much for ego? Tywin's obsession with family legacy, was that really family legacy or his own legacy? Regardless, he was an evil man if you consider what he thought of/did to anyone who wasn't of his bloodline. Even as a parent, he was cruel and vicious to his own children, which is why they were so malignant.
That Dance portrayed evilness so dignified and humbly is what sold the character. Some of my favorite scenes of the entire series were in S2 between Arya and Tywin. You could feel a tension between them that couldn't permeate Tywin's arrogance, but we all felt.
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:31 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Here's my got take of the week - Tyrion was not Tywin's son. He was the mad king's son. The mad king used Tywin's wife as a concubine.
It is known.
Then that lets Tyrion completely off for murdering his father. All it does is turn Tywin into the Wicked Stepmother from Cinderella. No, Tyrion is Tywin’s son, and it’s very important to the story that he is.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:41 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:Show went downhill once he died.
Thoughts on Tywin Lannister?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
The books go out of the way to make it clear that during his life time, he was really the only person able to competently run the seven kingdoms.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:32 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Probably one of the best characters in the show.
All he did was try and advance his family.
Ruthlessly for sure, but that entire world is ruthless.
“Anyone who says I am king is no king”
All he did was try and advance his family.
Ruthlessly for sure, but that entire world is ruthless.
“Anyone who says I am king is no king”
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:38 pm to Sus-Scrofa
“Careful now girl, I enjoy you but be careful”
His convos with Arya are incredible.
His convos with Arya are incredible.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:51 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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The books go out of the way to make it clear that during his life time, he was really the only person able to competently run the seven kingdoms.
How does that affect the debate of his evilness?
Hitler ran Germany pretty well until that whole war thing, and Tywin's war went about as well, didn't it.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:14 pm to lz2112
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How does that affect the debate of his evilness? Hitler ran Germany pretty well until that whole war thing, and Tywin's war went about as well, didn't it.
Easy there buddy, people were just throwing out observations about him.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:15 pm to CocomoLSU
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And Tywin would have 100% given proper attention to the approaching “winter.”
Would he though? He could have had Dany and her dragons killed well before she got to Westeros, but he dismissed them as a realistic threat and white walkers would have been even less realistic to him. Even after seeing one, I think he handles it like Cersei did.
He was a brilliant ruler when it came to people, but I think he was a bit arrogant and dismissive outside of that.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:22 pm to KingofthePoint
Yeah I think so. He never took Dany seriously because she was a young girl on the other side of the world. And her dragons were just rumors.
He’s not stupid. Had he actually seen the dragons and her in Westeros he would’ve given it proper attention. And the Winter threat was far greater than Dany was. And once he saw proof of it, he would’ve made the plays. Now, would he still have shielded KL and his family as much as possible? Of course. But he was smart enough to understand that it was a threat to literally everyone in the world. IMO.
He’s not stupid. Had he actually seen the dragons and her in Westeros he would’ve given it proper attention. And the Winter threat was far greater than Dany was. And once he saw proof of it, he would’ve made the plays. Now, would he still have shielded KL and his family as much as possible? Of course. But he was smart enough to understand that it was a threat to literally everyone in the world. IMO.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:22 pm to SaintlyTiger88
This is mostly due to the portrayal in the show, but really Tywin was great at standing on the shoulders of better tacticians and when he finally went head to head against a faux (The North and the Riverlands) he resoundingly got his arse kicked and outsmarted by a 16 year old repeatedly and would have lost if not for a short-sighted, glory seeking error on the part of Edmure Tully
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:34 pm to SaintlyTiger88
He would've made quick work of the Faith Militant had he lived.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:39 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Easy there buddy, people were just throwing out observations about him.
And I was just throwing out my observations. Looking back, Tywin was worse than Hitler, Hitler exterminated people based on race, Tywin exterminated people based on blood lines. Hitler wanted to enact genocide to purify his race, Tywin wanted to enact genocide to preserve the family name.
frick all of you Tywin apologists.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:40 pm to KingofthePoint
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Would he though? He could have had Dany and her dragons killed well before she got to Westeros, but he dismissed them as a realistic threat and white walkers would have been even less realistic to him. Even after seeing one, I think he handles it like Cersei did.
I agree. On the show he took Dany having dragons seriously at one point, but he was repeatedly warned in the books that Dany had dragons and he disregarded them. Tywin didn’t believe shite he couldn’t see with his own two eyes. Now he might have believed Dany’s dragons like Pycelle did by the end of A Dance with Dragons, but it’d take a hell of a lot convincing it was true.
As for the White Walkers, he would have done the same thing as Cersei did mostly. Let all their enemies die and then fortify his position in the south. Tywin was always reactive and not proactive. So long as you didn’t cross Tywin, then Tywin did not cross you, but once you did he would destroy you to the point he was confident you’d never cross him again.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:42 pm to lz2112
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frick all of you Tywin apologists.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:48 pm to CocomoLSU
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He’s not stupid. Has he actually seen the dragons and her in Westeros he would’ve given it proper attention. And the Winter threat was far greater than Dany was. And once he saw proof of it, he would’ve made the plays.
Had he still been alive in the White Walkers coming down to Westeros, from what I’m pretty confident GRRM is going for in the War in the North is that it’s going to be Littlefinger ruling through Sansa vs Jon Snow and his band of wildlings, and that they’re doing a little proxy war making up bullshite about the Others/Walkers. I think Tywin is too stubborn to believe in myths until he sees it for himself. And no there wouldn’t be a plot line as dumb as Jon going north of the Wall to capture a single wight. Now maybe if as soon as they break through the Wall that the dead start rising all over Westeros he’d act, but that’s the only situation I see where Tywin wouldn’t do almost exactly what Cersei did.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:57 pm to bad93ex
I can't quote a gif, but where in my analysis of Tywin have I gone wrong?
eta, if you want to, you can quote a gif if you work at it.
eta, if you want to, you can quote a gif if you work at it.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:59 pm to lz2112
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I can't quote a gif, but where in my analysis of Tywin have I gone wrong?
When you’re actually defending Hitler…
Posted on 8/3/22 at 10:25 pm to OMLandshark
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When you’re actually defending Hitler…
Pointing out Tywin Lannister had commonalities with Hitler is not me defending Hitler. It is me questioning everyone who finds Tywin Lannister a virtuous character.
He was a megalomaniac on par with the worst genocidal dictators in history.
Am I the one defending Hitler, or are the folks who believe Tywin was virtuous....
Posted on 8/3/22 at 10:58 pm to lz2112
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And I was just throwing out my observations. Looking back, Tywin was worse than Hitler, Hitler exterminated people based on race, Tywin exterminated people based on blood lines. Hitler wanted to enact genocide to purify his race, Tywin wanted to enact genocide to preserve the family name.
Tywin worse than Hitler?? That’s quite a stretch to put it mildly. We don’t know how many people died as a result of Tywin’s actions, but I think it’s safe to say he wasn’t responsible for the deaths of millions of people.
I can accept that Tywin would have probably been an authoritarian ruler that was tough and unwavering. But a genocidal dictator leading millions to the slaughter?? Come on man. Now, if you were comparing Aerys Targaryen to Hitler, that would have a lot more merit to it.
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