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Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:52 am to CocomoLSU
I read this book first and this movie really delivers. Very good movie.
I thought the ending was pretty straightforward. The part with his mom and the sailor was what actually happened from my view. It was just so traumatic for him that he invented this story as an almost coping mechanism.
I thought the ending was pretty straightforward. The part with his mom and the sailor was what actually happened from my view. It was just so traumatic for him that he invented this story as an almost coping mechanism.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 11:00 am to YankeeDoodle
The one thing I didn't get about the movie is how they constantly repeated that the story will make you believe in God. I just didn't see how the story played to that angle at all. The kid survived against all odds so you should believe in God? The story just didn't seem very spiritual/religious inspiring.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 11:35 am to Sgt_Hulka
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His personal core beliefs is that the fish is just as important to the world as his own mother or father. Now, I'm now saying I agree with his value system, but I do recognize that many people in this world feel this way. He was crying because he felt like he betrayed and murdered a living being - which is just as sinful as murdering a human being.
Plus it was a beautiful, colorful fish and he watched as the color faded away while killing it. Basically he saw the fish's life drain right before his eyes. That on top of all the other psychological and cultural factors was a big reason for his tears
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:42 pm to AustinKnight
The logic that the real story is the story he told after his tale where his mother and the chef are the true characters just does not add up. The real story was the fantasy story. Here is why: why else would he make such a big deal of Richard Parker leaving in the end?
The notion that God created everything is fantastic but that does not mean it is not true. Just because it does not seem possible does not mean is it unreal. A world without God is a brutal pointless mess. God is there you just have look hard to see him.
Keep in mind Richard Parker is either real or a very well developed figment of Pi's imagination. I just do see this learned man carrying on with his fairy tale if he did not believe Richard Parker was real and that he experienced the wonder of his journey.
Also, his tale will help you find God. The idea that God is real is what the moral of the story is from this movie. If the story is not true then God is not real. I just did not get that impression from the movie.
The notion that God created everything is fantastic but that does not mean it is not true. Just because it does not seem possible does not mean is it unreal. A world without God is a brutal pointless mess. God is there you just have look hard to see him.
Keep in mind Richard Parker is either real or a very well developed figment of Pi's imagination. I just do see this learned man carrying on with his fairy tale if he did not believe Richard Parker was real and that he experienced the wonder of his journey.
Also, his tale will help you find God. The idea that God is real is what the moral of the story is from this movie. If the story is not true then God is not real. I just did not get that impression from the movie.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:58 pm to rebeloke
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The real story was the fantasy story. Here is why: why else would he make such a big deal of Richard Parker leaving in the end?
Richard Parker represented the beast inside Pi that allowed him to survive. It left at the end because he didn't need it anymore.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:06 pm to TK421
Thus film was the best thing I saw all last year. Loved it.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:34 pm to rebeloke
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The idea that God is real is what the moral of the story is from this movie.
Maybe that's what they were going for because they did make a big deal about it, but I missed it completely even after you're pointing it out I still don't see it. And I enjoyed the movie, I just don't see the spiritual angle that was mentioned.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:42 pm to TigerinATL
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Maybe that's what they were going for because they did make a big deal about it, but I missed it completely even after you're pointing it out I still don't see it. And I enjoyed the movie, I just don't see the spiritual angle that was mentioned.
And this is exactly why I love this film. To many movies you know exactly what happened and why and leave with "yeah, that was good." Too many others are just confusing as hell because they don't make any damn sense at all.
Life of Pi gives so many vivid details, answers so many questions -- yet, it allows you to take away what you want out of the story. I'm far from a spiritual person - and never go to church. However, I have had some great conversations with my daughter about life and religion and God based off of this movie. The earlier poster is correct, it does not make you believe in God, as Pi suggests that it will. But if you really think about the story after the movie is over and place yourself into the story in the place of Pi, you find yourself asking a lot of deep questions. Or, maybe I have managed to convince myself of these things because the movie is visually stunning.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:20 pm to TK421
In a genuine way he says it broke his heart that Richard Parker paused but never looked back. Why would he have such an emotional reaction to his inner-beast? I think Richard Parker is either a kind of Mr. Wilson from Castaway or he was real.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:24 pm to rebeloke
Richard Parker doesn't appear until the chef attacks his mother. It is definitely a part of him.
His whole fantasy sounds genuine, I don't know why this part wouldn't be any different.
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In a genuine way he says it broke his heart that Richard Parker paused but never looked back.
His whole fantasy sounds genuine, I don't know why this part wouldn't be any different.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:32 pm to Sgt_Hulka
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Life of Pi gives so many vivid details, answers so many questions -- yet, it allows you to take away what you want out of the story. I'm far from a spiritual person - and never go to church
I am a religious person, and I didn't understand how God tied into the story at all besides them actually having to say God was involved.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:36 pm to TK421
In a technical sense an imaginary friend is a part of someone but there is an understood otherness to the friend. The imaginary friend in your view would be analogous to his inner-beast but not have an otherness. Yet, Pi is so brilliant and self-aware, I think he would be aware of his own fantasy. Also you suggest Richard Parker does not appear until the shipwreck, but he appeared prior to the shipwreck in the zoo. So you are saying Richard Parker the historical tiger reappears as his inner-beast? I just think that is a stretch.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:52 pm to TK421
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Richard Parker represented the beast inside Pi that allowed him to survive. It left at the end because he didn't need it anymore.
This
I read the book awhile ago but I am pretty sure this is how it was explained in the book. If the tiger story was true, then why even mention the part about it potentially being your Mom and the other real people. I felt like when the guy asked at the end something like "so you expect me to believe this tiger story", Pi basically responded with, "would you rather the true story about the people or the one with the animals"
I'm not sure about the whole believe in God thing either. If it wasn't for that one statement, I wouldn't have even taken it to be religious.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:53 pm to rebeloke
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I think he would be aware of his own fantasy.
I took it to be he didn't want to say the ugly truth out loud so he made up the story when he was pressed to tell what happened. I don't think he actually "lived" through the story he told, he lived through the real version and made up the prettier one after the fact.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:06 pm to YankeeDoodle
The movie is all about religion. Pi converts to Christianity as Hindu who expertimented with Islam. God is central in this story. God is hard to believe in for agnostics, ie his Father. So his story while hard to believe is real, just as God is real. His story allows you to believe in God because it is real and preferable when you think about it. If you chose to believe that the story is not real, then neither is God. Under that view God is just a story made up, ie the fantasy. Yet he seems to find God in his story and believe in God.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:09 pm to rebeloke
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So you are saying Richard Parker the historical tiger reappears as his inner-beast? I just think that is a stretch.
You mean like how every animal on the boat represented a real human being but was also a part of their zoo?
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Pi is so brilliant and self-aware, I think he would be aware of his own fantasy.
He is aware of his own fantasy. He created the fantastical story.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:22 pm to AustinKnight
I saw the trailer way back and said what a korny awful looking movie.. Had zero interest to watch.
Then watched it one night with my dad, and we both were impressed. It was nothing like the trailer made out to be. Very much enjoy it.. It wasn't all ridiculously cheesy as I assumed.
Then watched it one night with my dad, and we both were impressed. It was nothing like the trailer made out to be. Very much enjoy it.. It wasn't all ridiculously cheesy as I assumed.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:34 pm to TK421
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He is aware of his own fantasy. He created the fantastical story.
I don't think it's that cut and dry. I think the author set it up to be intentionally ambiguous, thus causing discussion/argument between those that are scientifically inclined and those that are religiously inclined. The pragmatists would believe the "realistic" version of the story (the version where Pi kills the cook after the cook kills the others) to be the true version while the religious people would believe the other version (Pi and the tiger survive the elements).
That being said, I don't know how successful the author was because I'm spiritual/religious and my natural inclination after watching the movie was to think that the fantasy version was Pi's way of coping with the hard reality of what actually happened (i.e., the realistic version).
Posted on 5/24/13 at 6:15 pm to TigerinATL
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The one thing I didn't get about the movie is how they constantly repeated that the story will make you believe in God. I just didn't see how the story played to that angle at all. The kid survived against all odds so you should believe in God? The story just didn't seem very spiritual/religious inspiring.
The idea of God is compared to the idea he had to make up the fantasy story to continue living at peace with himself.
In the end, the idea being conveyed is we will ultimately believe in God because "it's the better story" we tell ourselves so we can cope with the true horrors of life...and that's ok.
I disagree with this, but that's the thesis of the movie.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 6:17 pm
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