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re: The Return of the Ring: Rings of Power season 2 Trailer
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:35 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:35 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Races & cultures > individual characters.
It's really not that hard to understand.
dude you aren't making any sense.
In the books the elves and dwarfs are white, but it has no impact on their behavior. there isn't part of the book where the elves or dwarfs go on a lynching party against non-white races or anything of the sort.
it's just a description. having dwarves or elves with a different physical skin color doesn't change their lore at all because it isn't discussed in the stories after initial descriptions.
it isn't like in chapter 9 of book 3 Tolkien is writing "Frodo then encountered an elf, who was most certainly white, as the paleness of his skin made the moon reflect off of him in a way that made it easier to hide"
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:35 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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But what Amazon did was turn the lineage and uniqueness of each race, and just toss them into a blender for the hell of it. That far outweighs the changing of one or two characters.
You're mad that Amazon changed the uniqueness of the race for the hell of it but not mad that Apple changed the race and gender for the sole purpose of having race and gender swaps
Got it. That's not even counting the entire story lines added in that weren't even part of the source of Foundation. But again, that doesn't bother you, because you watched and liked the show so you write it off as nothing instead of woke DE Nazi stuff that everything else is to you.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:37 pm to Esquire
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If you made the elf and dwarf white, nothing changes at all.
Yet they leaned hard into it being the greatest achievement in TV history!
Why is that, I wonder. Because it was a massive big deal to them, even though it broke every molecule of what made up Tolkien's Middle Earth. And they just didn't care. Too stupid, too proud, to narcissistic, does it matter? They did it anyways, to pat themselves on the back, and to hell with what Tolkien wrote.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:42 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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even though it broke every molecule of what made up Tolkien's Middle Earth
haha having exclusively white elves and dwarves is not what made Middle Earth what is is.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:43 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Races & cultures > individual characters
Change the Foundation characters and you have to rewrite the show. Change the elf and dwarf to white and no other changes are needed.
It’s really not that hard to understand.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You're mad that Amazon changed the uniqueness of the race for the hell of it but not mad that Apple changed the race and gender for the sole purpose of having race and gender swaps Got it.
Absolutely. Sorry you're too dense to understand the difference.
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That's not even counting the entire story lines added in that weren't even part of the source of Foundation. But again, that doesn't bother you, because you watched and liked the show so you write it off as nothing instead of woke DE Nazi stuff that everything else is to you.
The differences in the 2 stories aren't analogous. You can tucker yourself out all you want trying to claim otherwise, but it won't change anything.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:52 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Sorry you're too dense to understand the difference.
Calling me dense to justify you liking by your definition a woke DEI Nazi show is a nice deflection. You're just a hypocrite is all, it doesn't take much to know that. Tolkien is my favorite author of all time, Asimov is probably top 3-4. Foundation is far more off base from what Asimov wrote than what Rings of Power is to Tolkien (and it was way off base).
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Deflection?
I'm not the one who imported fake criticism of Foundation which has zero to do with this RoP. Sorry, but anyone who can't debate the merits of this show without interjecting irrelevant nonissues from outside has already lost the argument. Tolkien went to insane levels of detail not just describing each race, as in each PEOPLE, he created a rich history and lore for each. Arbitrarily dropping in a black this or Puerto Rican that utterly unravels everything in his works. Same can't be said for Foundation, not even close. People, individuals are just that. One person. Don't think you can sidetrack the discussion of how bad ROP is by bringing up some lesser form of DEI rubbish. It's never going to work.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:09 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Yet they leaned hard into it being the greatest achievement in TV history!
Now you’re just making shite up. I’ve never said anything like that. I think it’s average at best. The only thing I think it does particularly well is the score. I just don’t believe it’s the worst show ever streamed like you do.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:13 pm to Esquire
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Now you’re just making shite up. I’ve never said anything like that
I never claimed YOU did!!! My goodness, you're a special kind of stupid. And not the good kind. I'm talking about the actors , writers and showrunners of ROP. Their arrogant 'Redress of balance" crap by that over hyped stage actress who laughably claimed to be the FIRST woman to play a dwarf... my god, who does she think she is, Jennifer Lawerence?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:28 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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I'm talking about the actors , writers and showrunners of ROP. Their arrogant 'Redress of balance" crap by that over hyped stage actress who laughably claimed to be the FIRST woman to play a dwarf... my god, who does she think she is, Jennifer Lawerence?
It would still be the same show without this.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:35 pm to Esquire
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t would still be the same show without this.
You keep saying that but have nothing on which to base that claim. But the criticisms of how bad RoP are don't start & end with just random DEI inserts. Not even close. They have mucked up the entire foundation *see what I did there?* of Tolkien's messaging.
One of many examples: Numenor's fall from grace. in Tolkien's work, it was to symbolize man's rejection of God. But what do we get in RoP? Immigration!!
You see, them 'knife ears' (so Tolkien, right?) they wanted to take their jerbs!! Yes, Elves 'immigrating' from the undying lands were hell bent on taking JOBS from men on some random island which itself was a gift to them for siding with the Valar. It makes no senses whatsoever! Posted on 5/17/24 at 7:40 am to Corinthians420
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haha having exclusively white elves and dwarves is not what made Middle Earth what is is
This is a stupid and ridiculous as saying making Japan full of Japanese people isn't what makes Japan what it is.
Even worse than making a Samurai (which is a culturally specific & learned organization) 'black' or 'Nordic', is randomly and arbitrarily interjecting a token race into an already existing race or immortal beings.
Simply because of duh-veristy's sake.
If there is ONE Puerto Rican Elf, where are the others? Elvendom isn't some club in which anyone claim membership in. Same with Hobbits or Dwarves. You cheapen both groups when you so casually swap their uniqueness as if slipping on a skin suit. Peoples have their own history and cultures. It's robbing both parties when trying to set some fake and contrived quota system on existing groups. It's beyond nonsensical.
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