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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:09 pm to Jwodie
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:09 pm to Jwodie
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That said, I really enjoyed Prometheus and see no way there isn't a sequel that provides a greater link to Alien
The writer said that if there's a sequel, it will move away from Alien, not closer towards
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:18 pm to Athanatos
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I think people are placing too much emphasis on how the Alien as we knew it developed. Particularly, I think that the evolution theories are misplaced. In the Alien/Predator literature, the Aliens could uses different animals as hosts for their eggs.
I agree with you that the xenomorph didn't simply evolve over millennia from some primitive lifeform to become what we saw in Alien. People are putting emphasis on the question - how did the facehugger, and therefore xenomorph, come into being to begin with? Most Alien fans realize that any animal of appropriate size could serve as a host (we see in Alien that the xenomorph cocoons the two humans for hosts but later ignores Ripley's cat, yet a facehugger was able to lay a seed in a Rottweiler in Alien 3).
I think the ultimate answer is that the engineers created the xenomorph as a weapon. That said, it still leaves many questions unanswered regarding the host process, the facehugger, the relationship to the black goo, etc. Very frustrating.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:23 pm to Lacour
The more I think about some of the lame assed characters and basically pretty ridiculous tacked on scenes, the more disappointed I become. I hated the musical score also, felt like I was watching ET. Visually fabulous, otherwise meh.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:27 pm to flvelo12
Truth. Though I did like the score.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:28 pm to Athanatos
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I think people are placing too much emphasis on how the Alien as we knew it developed. Particularly, I think that the evolution theories are misplaced. In the Alien/Predator literature, the Aliens could uses different animals as hosts for their eggs.
Obviously something happens to create the Aliens that eventually developed in later films, but I don't think that evolution is the answer.
i don't disagree, but the mural, engineers running in fear, no xenomorphs, etc just don't mesh in my mind
unless, the xenomorphs were godlike creatures to the engineers and the engineers fricked up by trying to create them in the flesh. that would explain the mural, how the xenos killed them all, and how they could develop again
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Obviously something happens to create the Aliens that eventually developed in later films, but I don't think that evolution is the answer.
to be honest i wish they didn't have a xenomorph or facehugger-like creatures in the movie at all
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:31 pm to Lacour
quote:Never saw Alien (on the way from Amazon now, though), didn't see a single preview, didn't read a single synopsis. Only thing I knew going in was it was a prequel to Alien.
Anyone who loved or even liked that movie was going to like it no matter what cause they wanted it to be good.
I really enjoyed it. Only thing that irks me now that someone pointed it out in this thread: Theron's character had no purpose.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:31 pm to gatorrocks
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it was pretty horrible.
what did you not like about the movie and what did you expect from it?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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to be honest i wish they didn't have a xenomorph or facehugger-like creatures in the movie at all
No shite, then they would have to have come up with a decent script.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:35 pm to Jwodie
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how did the facehugger, and therefore xenomorph, come into being to begin with?
The queen lays the eggs from which the face huggers emerge to create Aliens.
I think that the Alien and the goo are related, but the goo doesn't create the Alien. By that I mean that the goo does not on its on create Aliens, regardless of how it is consumed, applied, or spliced with human or other dna.
Also, does anyone wonder why the goo was stored in countless jars? It would obviously have been more efficient to store it in large tanks on the ship. Why the jars?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:39 pm to Athanatos
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Also, does anyone wonder why the goo was stored in countless jars? It would obviously have been more efficient to store it in large tanks on the ship. Why the jars?
it was funny how i bled from the jars but fassbender opened it up
in terms of efficiency, this was definitely not a "well made movie." but it was written by the Lost guy, so that's not a shocker
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but the mural, engineers running in fear, no xenomorphs, etc just don't mesh in my mind
No, it does leave a lot of questions. However, I don't think that the Aliens are godlike or revered figures in any way. They are too primal and unevolved. They are mindless killing machines that strive only to reproduce and protect their queen. I don't see how an evolved species could revere that, except as Predators did, which is as a worthy opponent.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:44 pm to dr smartass phd
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Here is a interesting link from the Shag
Wow, great read. I definitely plan to see the movie again and explore those theories.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
I went and saw this at 1045 this morning and don't really feel like commenting in depth right now because im kind of tired, but I enjoyed the movie overall.
There were definitely parts where I found myself squirming and being on the edge of my seat, then there were times I would just be like, ok that was kind of dumb
I do like the overall idea of the movie though, but there was a lot left unanswered.
I got the impression the engineers created some biological weapon that turned against them. I'm just not really sure how the black goo, the snake/worm things and the full blown xenomorphs all related to each other. We're they all one species? What did the male doctor fassbender contaminated turn into? What was the geologist turning into? An engineer?
I also want to know what the engineers wanted to kill us for if the seeded the earth
There were definitely parts where I found myself squirming and being on the edge of my seat, then there were times I would just be like, ok that was kind of dumb
I do like the overall idea of the movie though, but there was a lot left unanswered.
I got the impression the engineers created some biological weapon that turned against them. I'm just not really sure how the black goo, the snake/worm things and the full blown xenomorphs all related to each other. We're they all one species? What did the male doctor fassbender contaminated turn into? What was the geologist turning into? An engineer?
I also want to know what the engineers wanted to kill us for if the seeded the earth
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:49 pm to Athanatos
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They are mindless killing machines that strive only to reproduce and protect their queen. I don't see how an evolved species could revere that, except as Predators did, which is as a worthy opponent.
Well, if engineers er, engineered, the xenomorph to create a perfect biological weapon to unleash on other planets, it would make sense that they worshiped them as a perfect killing machine/omega to their alpha/genesis.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:52 pm to Jwodie
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The planet is LV223...Leviticus 22:3 "Say to them: 'For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD.
I've gotta say, reading about the various religious motifs and undertones is making me appreciate the movie a lot more...
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok. As I said earlier, it was a beautiful film. I really liked some of the characters (not that there was much development) but I enjoyed their personalities.
There were too many questions. Too many areas where the audience was just left saying "ok..."
Some have been addressed in this thread. Others I have:
Why does Fassbender kill the doctor?
Why does he want to put her back to sleep?
Why does he want her impregnated?
Does he know what the hell is going on with the aliens? Does he know she will carry the unborn alien baby?
Why does he save her at the end?
How the hell is she expected to live in this alien space ship as they search for the other planet? Is there 2000 year old MREs on the ship or something?
WHAT IS FASSBENDER'S PROBLEM?
WHAT THE HELL DOES HE SAY TO THE BIG arse ALIEN?
WHY IS THE BIG arse ALIEN SUCH A JERK?
Why does no one seem to care that the girl with the dragon tattoo is freaking covered in blood and not wondering what the hell is going on and WHY SHE'S GOT A DAMN C-SECTION INCISION?
Is the first scene on earth? If so, dammit why be so freaking VAGUE WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE?
If that was the birth of the ALIEN from the original how the hell does it get off the planet later on for Tom Skerritt to pick up?
There are other questions but these are just ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
There were too many questions. Too many areas where the audience was just left saying "ok..."
Some have been addressed in this thread. Others I have:
Why does Fassbender kill the doctor?
Why does he want to put her back to sleep?
Why does he want her impregnated?
Does he know what the hell is going on with the aliens? Does he know she will carry the unborn alien baby?
Why does he save her at the end?
How the hell is she expected to live in this alien space ship as they search for the other planet? Is there 2000 year old MREs on the ship or something?
WHAT IS FASSBENDER'S PROBLEM?
WHAT THE HELL DOES HE SAY TO THE BIG arse ALIEN?
WHY IS THE BIG arse ALIEN SUCH A JERK?
Why does no one seem to care that the girl with the dragon tattoo is freaking covered in blood and not wondering what the hell is going on and WHY SHE'S GOT A DAMN C-SECTION INCISION?
Is the first scene on earth? If so, dammit why be so freaking VAGUE WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE?
If that was the birth of the ALIEN from the original how the hell does it get off the planet later on for Tom Skerritt to pick up?
There are other questions but these are just ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:55 pm to Athanatos
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Why the jars?
Cause the jars looked cooler than big industrial vats. They could ooze and look menacing.
Purpose and logic have no place in this movie.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:57 pm to Lacour
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Purpose and logic have no place in this movie.
no shite
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:58 pm to Lacour
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Cause the jars looked cooler than big industrial vats. They could ooze and look menacing.
Purpose and logic have no place in this movie.
Eh, I was thinking it tied into the religious themes.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 6:00 pm to Lacour
Prometheus reminds me a lot of a similar R rated film that came out a few years ago. Watchmen. It was one of my favorite films of 09' but it took me several viewings to understand it all and enjoy its presence. I liked Prometheus but was disappointed in all the questions it presented without the answers. I am though looking forward to seeing it again, preferably on blu ray in the director's cut.
Though the IMAX 3D experience alone was worth the price of admission. Only way to see this film theatrically, imo.
Though the IMAX 3D experience alone was worth the price of admission. Only way to see this film theatrically, imo.
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