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The Prestige (spoiler)

Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:12 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:12 am
Who was the good guy?

Seems they all were bad. The twins (Christian Bale x 2) and Jackman with all the back and forth revenge.

Jackman let the brother hang.

Maybe the twin that survived and wanted to let the revenge die out may have been the only good guy.

Was the twin with him the whole movie, or just when he started doing the transporting man trick?

Good movie.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:13 am to
what I don't understand is why Bale got in trouble for "murdering" Jackman when he was clearly trying to break the glass to get him out. MyCocaine rushed in there while this was happening and clearly saw what Bale was trying to do.

This part always bothered me.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24784 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:15 am to
Yeah, that didnt make sense.

Maybe he assumed it murder given their past.
Posted by Large Farva
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2013
8323 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:29 am to
Which Jackman was the one in the end? The original or the drunk?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66650 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:31 am to
The “original” but he copied himself like 1000 times using Tesla’s Machine
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24784 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:32 am to
It sort of interesting they include "real magic" in the movie. The ability to instantly clone a person seems a bit odd to throw in there.

And how and why did Bale send Jackman to Tesla?

Did Bale know anything about the Tesla research?
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 10:34 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24784 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:35 am to
quote:

The “original” but he copied himself like 1000 times using Tesla’s Machine


I believe he was always the original. Always killed the clones.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:42 am to
quote:

I believe he was always the original. Always killed the clones.




Technically not necessarily true. He said he never knew which one he would end up being, the prestige or the one in the box. No way to know which one was the original. The drunk was long gone by that point though.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:45 am to
quote:

what I don't understand is why Bale got in trouble for "murdering" Jackman when he was clearly trying to break the glass to get him out. MyCocaine rushed in there while this was happening and clearly saw what Bale was trying to do


Cain's character had no idea about the box down below. He saw the box locked with Jackman in it and Bale's character there. Even if he was trying to get him out, Cain doesn't know the circumstances that got him in the locked box in the first place. With their history, the safe assumption was it was Bale's fault, even if he did try and break the glass.
Posted by Large Farva
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2013
8323 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:45 am to
When Bale revealed his secret, Jackman told his story and it showed him shooting another Jackman. My question is which Jackman was shot, was that the drunk actor, original or a clone?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:47 am to
quote:

And how and why did Bale send Jackman to Tesla?

Did Bale know anything about the Tesla research?



Yes Bale knew about Tesla's research. He sent them there on a wild goose chase to try and bankrupt and ruin Jackman, which he almost did. Tesla told Jackman that Bale came and saw him.

Bale also told Jackman, via his diary, that Tesla was a mirage to get him to chase.

You guys missed a lot of dialogue in this movie
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85067 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:47 am to
quote:

I believe he was always the original. Always killed the clones.
This is wrong regardless. Because the first time he did it, he killed the “copy.” All the other times, he killed the “original.”
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:49 am to
quote:

When Bale revealed his secret, Jackman told his story and it showed him shooting another Jackman. My question is which Jackman was shot, was that the drunk actor, original or a clone?


Drunk actor was long gone at that point. I believe he was actually dead (he was the one hanging with the sign on him at the show). Maybe just passed out, but regardless, after that he was never seen again.

We don't know which one was shot, that was the point. Every time it happened, Jackman didn't know what position the machine would put him in. That part seemed to be random. Either he shot the clone or the clone shot him.
Posted by johnnydrama
Possibly Trashy
Member since Feb 2010
8710 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:52 am to
quote:

MyCocaine


Interesting auto-correct
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:53 am to
quote:

This is wrong regardless. Because the first time he did it, he killed the “copy.” All the other times, he killed the “original.”


I don't think that is necessarily true either. I believe all the clones all had his memories. In the first scene, the clone and Jackman both remembered the gun at about the same time.

Based on this quote, I always assumed that it was random once the machine turned on. Sometimes the original went in the box, sometimes the clone. After the first few times, he would have known which one he was otherwise.

quote:

It took courage... it took courage to climb into that machine every night... not knowing... if I'd be the man in the box... or the prestige.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85067 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 10:54 am to
The first time he did it, he shot the clone.

The second time and all times after was drowning. And it was the original.

I used quotes because it’s ambiguous to the actors as well as the audience. The clone seems to have all of the memories of the original. It’s a true copy. So we aren’t supposed to know the truth and neither does he.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:00 am to
Right, but if the one that always stepped into the machine was the one that went into the box, he would have know which one he was. His line about courage would have meant nothing. He would know he was going to be the one in the box.


ETA: NVM, I see what you're saying now.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 11:03 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34337 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:26 am to
You're probably ok about worrying about spoilers. Its a 13 year old movie.

quote:

Good movie.


I go back and forth on what is my favorite Nolan film. This is one of the best though.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 12:10 pm to
Cain's character was the only good guy.

Jackman never got over his wife being killed. He was a good guy until that happened. And.. I assume that the Bale that was more aggressive (the one that eventually died) was the one that disobeyed the request to tie the right knot. So, in the end, they were square.

On the other hand, the Bale character that married and had a daughter seemed like he was a good guy, but the whole charade of the twins... he chose his act over his family. So, I guess he wasn't so good after all.
But, he was milder, wanted to let the feud go. And he's rewarded in the end with his daughter. I guess that part is a bit fitting, and I have no doubt he'll be a good father. His penance for participating in the whole ordeal is that he lost his wife and brother.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66650 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 12:37 pm to
It wasn’t the drunk actor.

He was long gone after Bale exposed the trick.

The point is that no one know who the “original” is anymore.

Jackman’s Character says he never knew if he was the prestige or the one in the box.

You assume it makes a perfect clone with all memories up to that point.

Also you have to assume the one in the box never knew if the trick worked or if he was just drowning.

This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 12:38 pm
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