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The Peripheral ending was complicated - Spoilers

Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:02 pm
Trying to wrap my mind around how she jumped into another stub and then came back.

It appeared that stub was created already, so she would be taking over a version of herself???

If she was creating the stub for the first time, why was it branched anyways.

Did she hop back into the beginning of her stub, thus the reboot?
Posted by different arse
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:17 pm to


Honestly, I have no idea what's going on now.
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:30 pm to
I was waiting for the next episode before critiquing the current state of events. Best guess is she basically made a copy of herself (and everyone else) in that new stub. That new one is now untraceable by the RI. Deleted herself out of the old stub by asking the black dude to kill her. ETA: should of been a head shot to destroy the thing (maybe bacteria???) in her brain that contained the information stolen from the RI in an earlier episode.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted by MRF
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:35 pm to
She didn’t hop back into a stub. She died, saving her town from disaster.

But she created a stub, a duplicate offshoot of her world, that is unknown to the future. That version of her used a peripheral at the end, and is alive.
Posted by LEASTBAY
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:49 pm to
Right. So there were 2 of her. One was killed.
Posted by highpockets
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:30 pm to
I wasnt sure about the cut scene, found an article on Cnet that kind of explained things.

Question on Peripheral
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:39 pm to
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But she created a stub, a duplicate offshoot of her world, that is unknown to the future. That version of her used a peripheral at the end, and is alive.


That’s what I figured. Which means she is doing exactly what the “bad guys” were doing. Creating an additional world to use as they see fit while killing off others in a different world for reasons as they see fit.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:16 pm to
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I wasnt sure about the cut scene, found an article on Cnet that kind of explained things.

Question on Peripheral


That's a clean explanation -

Probably a bit cleaner than I tried to explain it last week
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:15 pm to
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found an article on Cnet that kind of explained things.
That article really does not do a good job of explaining. Especially what the creation of a new stub means and the killing of Flynne. I see a lot of mistakes that make it even more confusing than it need be.
Everyone here seems to have the basic premise right.
Flynne killed herself in the original stub but not in the new branch she created. There would now be 2 Flynnes with the stolen RI information. In that new one, that particular Flynne knew everything that the original Flynne knew. I am assuming that means the new stub has the same access to the London 2099 peripheral. Not entirely sure that makes logical sense in a multiverse but whatever. I could envision there being an unresolvable issue if both attempted to access the peripheral at the same time. Obviously not an issue since 1 Flynne is all that is left in this stub branch.
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:19 pm to
MRF did a great job of explaining the situation concisely in that other thread.
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Just watched it. So she created a stub, which created a new version of her and her world that we didn’t actually see. Then she had herself killed so the future cannot access the info in her brain. Now she and everyone is in a new stub, that others cannot access because she destroyed that device. She is safe for now with the info in her head. Her death looked like a hit so everyone in the future thinks the problem is solved. That was the new stub version in the peripheral we saw at the very end.


This is way better than that article. Great job MRF!
Posted by MRF
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 7:35 am to
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I am assuming that means the new stub has the same access to the London 2099 peripheral. Not entirely sure that makes logical sense in a multiverse but whatever. I could envision there being an unresolvable issue if both attempted to access the peripheral at the same time.


The alleged primary timeline of the future has access to all these multiverse stubs that branch off, as long as they know their coordinates. And in turn they program headsets to dial back to the primary timeline peripherals they build. Both Flynne stub 1 (now dead) and Flynne stub 2 (that she made in the finale) have headsets programmed to dial into that particular peripheral in the future. Now only 1 is alive to do it

You bring up though a major potential problem with this whole scheme, multiple versions of people trying to do the same exact thing. That is why Lev said the very first thing he did when he created a new stub is to kill himself in the new stub. Well, Flynne solved the same problem with the opposite action, killing herself. I don’t think either Lev or Cherise would consider that possibility, because neither would do it. That is part of why her plan was so great. I loved the ending.
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 10:45 am to
Agreed! The headsets are produced in the stub and the story really didn't expand on how they are linked. It would have been interesting if the headset was linked specifically to the stub user and unique peripheral. But that clearly isn't the case from the start with Flynne jumping in her brother's during the early heist episode.

I found it odd the coordinate tracker was an old timepiece, although an interesting artistic choice.

Taken to the extreme, Flynne could have created a multitude of new untraceable stubs and in doing so created an army of Flynne and families to fight Cherise/Lev. Just needed access to more peripherals to link to.
Posted by MRF
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 10:49 am to
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Taken to the extreme, Flynne could have created a multitude of new untraceable stubs and in doing so created an army of Flynne and families to fight Cherise/Lev. Just needed access to more peripherals to link to.


Hmm, yeah I suppose we don’t know precisely what she did there. That’s at least possible. But it would be incredibly difficult to coordinate, given that all versions of her are the same and would attempt to call in. She would have to use a random number generator to initiate the call in, in order to prevent them calling in at the same moment. It’s possible though, and then she could potentially communicate with other stubs and assign numbers and peripherals to each.

But all they really need to do is extract the info from her head and then can start manipulating those in the future directly.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 10:51 am
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 12:51 pm to
I'm not suggesting the show will go that route, just an extreme direction they could have gone that popped in my head. No random number generator needed as each peripheral unit is matched to a unique headset. Or vice versa being a headset can be set to control a unique peripheral. At least that is how the show has it established.

Won't happen because the I'm fairly certain in the last episode (haptic drift) Flynne clearly created only 1 new offshoot of the 2032 stub.

Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:39 pm to
Thanks for the screenshot. Putting some moments on it now



It still goes back to how did Flynne actually reboot. The original stub was created years before. So would she be creating a stub off a stub?
Posted by TheLSUriot
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:24 pm to
That looks about right. The way I saw it, she basically created a copy of the current 2032 stub (your green circle). The show displayed this when she touches the screen in that episode. Meaning 2 Flynnes now have the stolen info in her head and knowledge of what the hell is going on; continuation of the one RI created and one Flynne created. Her deal with Connor was to kill the Flynne in the RI 2032 stub so no one could get the information. Leaving Flynne and family to go about the business of destroying the RI, etc.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:47 pm to
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The show displayed this when she touches the screen in that episode.


Maybe that is where the show took liberties

It would seem creating a stub would be more than just clicking a button, in reality though I guess it is really just stepping on a butterfly with your muddy boots.
Posted by MRF
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:20 pm to
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It still goes back to how did Flynne actually reboot. The original stub was created years before. So would she be creating a stub off a stub?


Yes, because she was dead in the original timeline. The new stub has all her current memories. Hence the saved game and respawn terminology.

I think the actual creation is some simple intervention that changes history, creating an alternate timeline. Why doesn’t a new stub get created every single time information is communicated back to the past? Plot simplification is my guess. I think that would be too messy for the show to manage.
Posted by Peter167
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:39 pm to
I didn't even get the vibe that was the last episode i was expecting another one tomorrow.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 7:11 pm to
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There would now be 2 Flynnes with the stolen RI information. In that new one, that particular Flynne knew everything that the original Flynne knew.

This is the part that doesn’t make sense logically. The only version of Flynne that should have the RI information is the version that actually broke into the RI. The information was “downloaded” biologically to her brain.

If that version of Flynne died, how does another version still have that info? Does that other version somehow share her memories of time in the peripheral too? This certainly seems to be the case based on her popping back into the future after dying.

The stubs are essentially described as alternate universes/timelines that sprout at the moment of their creation. So whichever version of Flynne that exists at the moment the new stub splits off should not have any of the current Flynne’s memories past that point - with the exception of events that play out exactly the same. But, of course, “new” Flynne’s experiences couldn’t play out exactly the same because that would mean Cherise knows exactly where she is and we are right back where we started.

I don’t know, right now it doesn’t make much sense. It’s one of three things:

1. The show is playing fast and loose with “rules” of time travel and is thus creating some major plot holes.
2. There is some yet-to-be-seen-onscreen mechanism for transferring consciousness to a stub.
3. The 2099 folks describing the stubs don’t actually know the “rules” as well as they seem to think (or they’re lying).

I guess there’s a fourth option where “New Flynne” isn’t actually “Flynne Prime” at all. It could be that Flynne transferred her story to the new Stub, and “New Flynne” spent a fair amount of time spent off-screen accepting the realities of apocalyptic futures, time travel, etc. before going to 2099 to meet with the inspector. But that would not explain how she would have the RI data, if she does actually have it.

ETA: Or, as someone suggested, the new stub sprouted from her stub right before Connor shot her. That would actually explain everything. For some reason I was under the impression that the new stub was created with a far earlier “split” point but maybe I imagined that.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 7:16 pm
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