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re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

Posted on 3/9/16 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by JohnnyBgood
South Louisiana
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 7:54 pm to
One question I have is why in the hell didn't the prosecution object to Lee Baily's racial accusations that really had nothing to do with the evidence or anything else about the case? Why couldn't they get Ito to squash the race card and focus on the evidence at hand?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:16 pm to
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One question I have is why in the hell didn't the prosecution object to Lee Baily's racial accusations that really had nothing to do with the evidence or anything else about the case? Why couldn't they get Ito to squash the race card and focus on the evidence at hand?



It's a lose/lose either way. If they object, then it basically confirms he's racist in the eyes of the jury. If Baily can't prove any further that Furhman is lying, then they may get off.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:54 pm to
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Why couldn't they get Ito to squash the race card and focus on the evidence at hand?



FFS, they should have gotten it quashed on the basis that OJ isn't black. Seriously!
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
21393 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:27 pm to
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Or the people who gave a frick that Marcia Clark was topless at a beach.


You know what the worst part about the nude photo shenanigans is?

It wasn't even her first ex-husband, Gabby Horowitz, that sold those photos.

quote:

Horowitz was a professional backgammon player, according to The Washington Post, and the couple met with Clark was just 18 years old at UCLA. According to The National Enquirer, in 1989, Horowitz was accidentally shot in the head by a friend, which resulted in him becoming wheelchair-bound and unable to speak.


Her ex-mother-in-law sold them!!!

And even weirder? The attorney who represented the man who shot her first husband?

Robert fricking Shapiro.

And the guy was never charged with anything.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:18 am to
quote:

One question I have is why in the hell didn't the prosecution object to Lee Baily's racial accusations that really had nothing to do with the evidence or anything else about the case? Why couldn't they get Ito to squash the race card and focus on the evidence at hand?



The TV series has had to edit for time purposes much of the actual court questioning and testimony. By the time Bailey asked that question, the defense had laid a foundation that made an issue. One thing that seems to be omitted from the show is that Fuhrman had used the N word and made disparaging racial remarks in taped interviews years before the trial.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39285 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:32 am to
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One thing that seems to be omitted from the show is that Fuhrman had used the N word and made disparaging racial remarks in taped interviews years before the trial.

I think that's coming.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to
This link, and moreso the video of the actual testimony, conveniently time-marked right at that point, is helpful. Definitely was a lot more leading up to that with some objections by the prosecution regarding time frame, etc. May need to rewind it a bit for more context.

LINK
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:18 am to
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The Real World was actually the beginning of reality TV back in the early 90's but this trial threw it into overdrive.


This is true, but back I'm not sure how many people knew what Real World was or what it was really doing. And back then no one thought you could become a true "star" or "celebrity" for being on TV and not acting. This trial turned dozens of regular people into household names.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:22 am to
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It's a lose/lose either way. If they object, then it basically confirms he's racist in the eyes of the jury. If Baily can't prove any further that Furhman is lying, then they may get off.


Great point here, it was a risky, almost hail mary but brilliant defense strategy, but only because they knew the guy probably had a history. Also shows Darden was right to question putting him on the stand and opening that door to the defense.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 1:08 pm to
I watched the episode last night. Assuming it to be factual, Marsha Clark was certainly going through a rough time. I don't know how she held up with all that crap going on.

Ito is so much worse than I remembered.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 1:50 pm to
That Rosa Lopez testimony was absurd. Hard to believe Ito disrupted the prosecution's case for that.

IRL, she somehow spent three days on the stand, all without the jury present. Her testimony was video recorded and then never offered at trial. She was cross examined by Darden, contrary to what was in the show.

So, the jury wound up sequestered for over a week, in the middle of the prosecution's case, for a defense witness to give testimony that was never used. Ito got played.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 2:14 pm to
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She was cross examined by Darden, contrary to what was in the show.



That's why I don't trust this series, not that it matters here who crossed her, I guess. 3 days for much ado about nothing. Such a waste. Ito was awful and when you have a sequestered jury for that long, having a dark court every Friday was just plain absurd. I'd have gone nuts from Thursday to Monday.
Posted by itawambadog
America, F Yeah!
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 2:35 pm to
This show reminded me how much of a circus this whole trial was.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 2:36 pm to
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Ito was awful
He should recused himself when it was brought to light that his wife was once Fuhrman's superior officer.

In the tapes that the defense presented to prove he said the "N" word in the past, Fuhrman also talks about how ugly his wife is and suggests that she used sex to get promoted.

Yeah, that didn't change any of Ito's opinions of Fuhrman...
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 8:21 pm to
How was that hair style an improvement? I liked how she walked in like she was a big shot thinking she looked good.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:19 pm to
It wasn't, and it won't be the final one.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8306 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:16 pm to
I am extremely surprised how engrossed I am in this miniseries. It's riveting. I was 11 during this trial and only remember the bronco chase (being mad they cut into the NBA Finals), clips and interviews on Hard Copy that my mom used to watch while making dinner & how every single magazine cover was dedicated to this trial for a year.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:44 pm to
Why did they allow cameras into the court room in the first place? So much of what they did was an attempt to influence public opinion.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:20 pm to
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Why did they allow cameras into the court room in the first place? So much of what they did was an attempt to influence public opinion.



Because of Judge Lance Ito, indisputably the single worst judge in American history. Judge Ito didn't give a damn about justice, all he wanted was fame. He consciously decided to escalate the trial as much as possible for his own personal gain. He even invited Marcia Clark into his office one day in order to show her this sketch from the Tonight Show: LINK

Say what you will about Clark and Darden, but they at least had the dignity to step down after that abortion of a trial. And these two went through absolute hell, maybe even becoming the 2 most persecuted prosecutors in American history. I do not envy their position.

Judge Ito though just thrived in it and didn't give a frick. He could have greatly downgraded the trial and made it 3 months tops. Instead he let the defense do anything their heart desired simply for ratings and let the trial go on for nearly a year. And then when OJ got off, he somehow had the balls to go onto preside over 500 more trials until retiring last year. He should have immediately had his license to practice law permanently revoked after that farce of a trial. Better yet he should have been tarred and feathered for it.

Do you really not think that every defense attorney who heard that Ito was going to preside over their case didn't just howl with laughter? Or every prosecutor thought that they were fricked due to how incompetent the man was? There's no way that this man wasn't openly mocked for almost every trial he presided over since then.

But Ito clearly has no shame. Any owner of a business in LA should have refused to serve him for what he did. Judge Lance Ito is largely responsible for the state of the media these days, and why we have a media of instant gratification. He really ruined America as a whole. That is why he is the worst judge in American history and should still be shunned to this day, especially due to the fact he didn't immediately step down.
This post was edited on 3/12/16 at 9:59 am
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8306 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:59 pm to
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