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re: The OFFICIAL Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:34 am to SG_Geaux
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:34 am to SG_Geaux
quote:no he specifically said he was going to send a girl to go inform his jedi friend. That was one of the more well written parts when compared to Vaders first dialogue and Jyns speech.
I think that was just poorly written. The Old Jedi friend in hiding has to be Ben. Then he was asked/told it had to be someone they could trust and he said "I trust her"
But the way he said it in the movie, I immediately thought we were somehow going to see Ahsoka in the movie.
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:42 am to CarRamrod
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no he specifically said he was going to send a girl to go inform his jedi friend.
Yeah, this was fairly obvious to me...even though it could have been written a little bit better.
Princess Leia doesn't appear to be on a very diplomatic mission though.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:48 am to CarRamrod
I really liked it. I think it was better than the prequels and TFA. Likely running neck and neck with ROTJ for me.
I liked the new characters but will admit I didn't feel an emotional connection to any of them. They were on a suicide mission so maybe this was somewhat strategic on the Directors part. It felt like Star Wars mashed up with a Magnificent Seven or Dirty Dozen type flick and it worked for me. Bits of nostalgia and they did a good job tying up the loose ends leading up ANH.
What I really liked was that the Empire was shown in its brutal and gargantuan size. For the first time Vader is shown as a full bad arse. The Death Star was huge, the Empire ships were cold and intimidating. The Empire was throughout the known galaxy at every corner. You never got this sense of scale with Starkiller Base on TFA or any of the films since the original trilogy.
And while a bit creepy I think the CGI of Tarkin added some real depth to his character leading into ANH.
I liked the new characters but will admit I didn't feel an emotional connection to any of them. They were on a suicide mission so maybe this was somewhat strategic on the Directors part. It felt like Star Wars mashed up with a Magnificent Seven or Dirty Dozen type flick and it worked for me. Bits of nostalgia and they did a good job tying up the loose ends leading up ANH.
What I really liked was that the Empire was shown in its brutal and gargantuan size. For the first time Vader is shown as a full bad arse. The Death Star was huge, the Empire ships were cold and intimidating. The Empire was throughout the known galaxy at every corner. You never got this sense of scale with Starkiller Base on TFA or any of the films since the original trilogy.
And while a bit creepy I think the CGI of Tarkin added some real depth to his character leading into ANH.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:54 am to gjackx
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Princess Leia doesn't appear to be on a very diplomatic mission though.
Yea, this is probably going to end up being my biggest gripe. They way they get the plans to Leia just doesn't really fit.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:58 am to wiltznucs
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And while a bit creepy I think the CGI of Tarkin added some real depth to his character leading into ANH.
There were times he looked great and others where it looks pretty bad. When he delivered the "You may fire when ready" line, it was spot on.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:03 am to apfour21
quote:Very I did not like it. He talked too much. Vader was scarier when he was a man of few words.
Did anyone else think Vader sounded a bit different than in OT? I may be crazy but the voice just seemed a bit off to me.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:03 am to CarRamrod
Agreed. His short but terrifying phrases were what made him.
Eta: I wouldn't have minded not seeing that first scene wth them and instead have his ship come out of hyperspace onto the battle, you see him looking out the window overseeing everything. Then it cuts to Krennic on the planet getting a message from Vader.
Krennic asks him like "Lord Vader, what are you doing here?"
Vader: "I could sense your failure from across the Galaxy, Lietenant. Stop them from transmitting those plans, or the rebels will be the least of your worries". End transmission.
Then show Vader fight like they did. When Tantive gets away, he sends another message to Tarkin telling them to fire on the Citadel. One of Tarkin's patsies objects about their men and Krennic. Vader gives his "he has failed me for the last time" line. Tarkin gives an understood and then delivers the "you may fire when ready" line.
Eta: I wouldn't have minded not seeing that first scene wth them and instead have his ship come out of hyperspace onto the battle, you see him looking out the window overseeing everything. Then it cuts to Krennic on the planet getting a message from Vader.
Krennic asks him like "Lord Vader, what are you doing here?"
Vader: "I could sense your failure from across the Galaxy, Lietenant. Stop them from transmitting those plans, or the rebels will be the least of your worries". End transmission.
Then show Vader fight like they did. When Tantive gets away, he sends another message to Tarkin telling them to fire on the Citadel. One of Tarkin's patsies objects about their men and Krennic. Vader gives his "he has failed me for the last time" line. Tarkin gives an understood and then delivers the "you may fire when ready" line.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:05 am to wiltznucs
I really liked the movie, but the characters didn't resonate. I honestly think part of it is how they went out. Let's use Saving Private Ryan as a comparison. Aside from Hanks's character, you didn't know much about the background. The difference was how the guys got killed. The knife scene, Ribisi bleeding out, Vin Diesel getting sniped down - they made you care about the characters. The Star Wars deaths were too impersonal. The characters were very point A to point B, without seeing little things like some PTSD (hands trembling, etc). Also KS0 and Andor had a relationship that they could have built that would have resonated more when KS0 was "killed"
Despite the flaws, I can look at it as a war movie, and appreciate it. It also explained that the death star can jump to hyperspace, and also explained why the rebellion forces were so depleted in Star Wars.
Despite the flaws, I can look at it as a war movie, and appreciate it. It also explained that the death star can jump to hyperspace, and also explained why the rebellion forces were so depleted in Star Wars.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:10 am to SG_Geaux
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You really complaining about his gait? It isn't the same giy in the suit as 40 yrs ago.
well i kinda agree with him. the first time you see vader he struts down the walkway like he is joyous and happy and about to jump around. Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:15 am to Boss
I agree that more could have been done to develop the characters; but, let's accept that this is a Disney franchise now. I don't think the company has it in them to torture an audience with a considerable number of kids in such a way. So the lack of development and rather impersonal way they were killed was just as I expected.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:22 am to wiltznucs
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I agree that more could have been done to develop the characters; but, let's accept that this is a Disney franchise now. I don't think the company has it in them to torture an audience with a considerable number of kids in such a way. So the lack of development and rather impersonal way they were killed was just as I expected.
I think people sell Disney short for not killing off likable characters, such as Mustafa, Bing Bong, and Ray.
But I think you may be right. It was just kind of bizarre in a Star Wars movie how I couldn't connect with the characters to where I think it may have been intentional since they all die in the end. I mean, I'd rather them be good characters, but if that was their goal, then whatever.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:28 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:HUGE HUGE PLOT HOLE I was bitching about the whole way home.
hy the frick did Bail send Leia into the fricking battle where everyone dies when she was going to deliver a message to Obi Wan?
Why the frick was Leia on the Flagship going to battle?
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:29 am to OMLandshark
Even amidst the mediocre writing (and the terrible writing in the prequels) you at least connect with the central characters. This was a shallow war movie in that regard, with great action and nods to Star Wars fans redeeming it
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:29 am to CarRamrod
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Did anyone else think Vader sounded a bit different than in OT?
The reflections of all the red/lava stuff off of his eyes, had me really distracted. The scene where he and krennic were yapping away, it's all I could look at. Did this bother anyone else?
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:30 am to udtiger
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Plus, an explanation of how there was an opening for Luke
I picked up on that right when Red 5 was shot down. Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:31 am to CarRamrod
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Why the frick was Leia on the Flagship going to battle?
The only reason for this is because they BARELY got the plans out in time...she had to be close, I guess?
Meanwhile, her old man thinks it's a good time to go back to Alderaan.....
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:32 am to south bama tiger
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This was a shallow war movie in that regard, with great action and nods to Star Wars fans redeeming it
I'd say that sums it up pretty well.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:34 am to gjackx
But there's no way Leia would even attempt to tell Vader that she was on a Diplomatic Mission or that the Senate would be outraged after being a part of an attack on an Imperial Base. The Empire could just openly tell the truth on why they were killing her in that case.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:38 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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"You may fire when ready" line, it was spot on.
i think they took the exact recording from Ep4Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:39 am to gjackx
They could have easily explained it (but didn't) by saying that the Star Destroyers were jamming long range communications. Would have worked better had there been 3 or 4 corvettes launch out of the flagship and go different directions. Then the ambiguity would have been okay in Star Wars.
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