re: The Official DragonBall Thread....est 2012

There are a lot of theories running around that it's Goku's own mystic form- he is able to keep all of his ssb + KK power inside of himself and fight without strain or destroying his body. That would be awesome

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Technically Cell should have the means to go SSJB

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Technically Cell should have the means to go SSJB

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He absolutely could.

another shite episode, imo

Why the hell is Frieza Sailor Moon all of the sudden with the 4 minute spinning transformation.

I'd love to see Pikkon.

It was certainly better than the Caulifla/Cabba/Kale episodes

Godtube, Piccolo and 17 meeting again, Vegeta having to defend Frieza to Trunks, and Frieza blasting the assassin through Goku's cheek all put a little smile on my face but I was left with a sour impression with the long transformation into the Gold Form when we already saw it. Could you imagine if Goku spent as long on turning SSj as he did the first time on Namek everytime?

Also, how fortunate for Beerus that Hit stepped down in the 6 vs 7 tournament or Universe 6's team would be unstoppable.

6 would be:
Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Buu, Caulifla, Cabba, Kale, Hit (or substitute Piccolo, Frost, etc if they are stronger than Cabba or Caulifla)

7 would be:
some namekians, some yardats, maybe a revived Frieza or Pikkon

I still can't get over how bad of a father Goku is. I know DBZ Abridged harps on it a lot, but it still kind of funny to think about.

I've been rewatching DBZ and with some of the moments in Super, Vegeta just seems like a much better father.

Goku:
Never shows any real affection for Chi Chi (hasn't even kissed her once in ~20 years of marriage)
Abuses Chi Chi a few times (accidentally, but still)
Doesn't hang out with Chi Chi, Gohan, or Goten unless necessary (and even then flakes out at a moments notice)
Refuses to be wished back to earth after the Frieza saga...
Refuses to be revived after the Cell saga...
Despite hanging out with King Kai in the afterlife, never once checks in on Gohan or Chi Chi during his 7 years there
Doesn't hug Mystic Gohan back
Goes off to train Uub for years instead of taking Uub in to train with he, Gohan, Goten, Pan, etc.
Is rarely with Gohan, Goten, Pan, or Chi Chi in Super

Vegeta:
Suicidal charge against Cell for attacking his son's future self
Trains and hangs out with his son (plans to take him to the park)
Hugs his son before sacrificing himself (with the knowledge that he would be going to Hell)
Suicidal charge against the God of Destruction for attacking his wife
Sticks by his wife's side for a pretty large chunk of Super so far


Goku just kind of treats Gohan as a friend and fellow fighter and not really a son...even when he is 6.

Obviously, Vegeta was a shite father early on completely disregarding baby Trunks, refusing to have anything to do with Future Trunks, etc but he grew more than just about any other character in DBZ. (Piccolo went from a villain to being a father figure to and eventually sacrificing himself for Gohan and he genuinely cared about Gohan's well-being so he may be the best father figure on the show)

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Goku's happy-go-lucky attitude distracts people from seeing how shitty he is as a family man.

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The Japanese version, and the American version are 2 vastly different characters. That's the biggest reason why most people dont understand how bad of a person he can be.

The Japanese version doesn't care about anything but fighting the next powerful guy. The American version is a knock off superman, fighting for truth and justice. It's a major dichotomy, and rewrite, of the character.