re: The Official Comic Book Hero Tournament Round IV (Voting Open)

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I also wonder if hulk would be angry enough to win against thor in a random tournament.

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I'm guessing he would eventually get angry enough after he gets beat on long enough. I don't think there is a time limit in the tournament.

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I guess you could open up another thread for everyone to vote on it (no comments, just a yes/no vote) while the new hero round is being voted on.

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I'll just make the final call. I am probably going to leave them in. I will do some debating over the next day or two.

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Remember this is the Planet Hulk version.

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Ok

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While he did not face off against Thor directly he wrecked The X-Men Fantastic Four Went toe to toe with Sentry and took his best shot and just shakes it off. He also took out Dr. Strange

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When I think of planet hulk, I think of him fighting in the arena there. Very strong, fairly intelligent, but probably beatable. What you're talking about is world war hulk. If it really is world war hulk, then he probably beats all remaining heroes.

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ETA: I'm leaning towards Hulk and Flash, but I can be persuaded otherwise.

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This whole "Flash does something before someone even reacts," bothers the crap out of me. There's no way to beat that.

I mean what if we tell Black Bolt, hey you're going to fight someone...be prepared. At least there's that.

In any case, Black Bolt has two options: Force Field and Flight. If we can get off the ground, blow the planet they are fighting on up with a voice blast, he's in a much better spot.

2nd thing: Flash may be able to "outrun" sound, but if it's emminating from a central location that he must get to, what does he do? Is he going to be able to dodge sound waves? If not, then his speed is of no consequence in this match and he cannot withstand the impact like WW had the chance to do.

Planet Hulk, he was a bad mofo, flew into the heart of the planet and held it back together, beat a weakened Silver Surfer with little difficulty (not sure how weakened but he did pass through the same worm hole that weakened hulk). Survived bombing, wrecked space ships with one hit. I'm going with Hulk over Thor since this is purely a slug fest.

Ms. Marvel, screw the flying bricks!

Flash, light travels faster than sound and a punch traveling at Flash speeds is going to knock anybody out.

Superman? I don't think Firestorm could hurt him enough before Superman punched him into oblivion.

Eta: I'm opened to arguments and will change if persuaded. also I think we should keep the heavy hitting villains. They've all been beaten over and over again. It'll be interesting to see the one on one battles, the heroes are always also having to go against some convoluted take over the world scheme and then fight the villain, I'm interested to see it all stripped away and just a good old fight instead.

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They are the same being.

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With vastly different power levels.

How do you figure? What are you basing this on?

He didn't go through a transformation.

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Ms Marvel, this seems pretty easy.

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Explain how that seems pretty easy? Shazam's strength and speed are on par with Superman's.

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Shazam uses lightning bolts, Ms. Marvel can directly absorb them, that's problem number one. She's fast and strong as well, durable, etc. So with all of that relatively balanced.

Shazam is a kid, Ms. Marvel is a trained pilot and agent. She also has a "sixth/seventh" sense, so that gives her the tactical edge.

It isn't easy, but her energy absorption trumps Shazam. (She would probably lose against Supes though)

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If so, then wouldn't it be true that the more Thor beats on the Hulk, the stronger Hulk would get, and thus would eventually surpass Thor's power?

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This would be the argument. The question is can Thor knock out the Hulk before it got to this point. I do not know that he could. I know they've battled alot, but I do not ever remember Thor outright beating the Hulk. Especially not lately with the more modern Hulk.